I call it "mindless" because soldiers have been taught to instinctively kill, not to think, just kill. I have known many military people(marines, army, and navy) and they all agree that is what the military teaches[I am guessing it is similar in most/all countries]. That is what a military is for. If too many people think, the orders will not be followed because people will realize they are murdering each other.
Any person that tells you that a soldier is trained to kill intinctively is either lying to you, or is as ignorant about the entire situation as you are, and that's ignorant in the literal sense, not to be taken offensively. That's such a misleading comment in itself that I can almost excuse you from it, because it's too ridiculous to actually be true. For one thing, the Army doesn't brainwash people. Now if the person telling you this stuff is like 80 years old, and was in the army 40 years ago, then I can't say anything, because I wasn't there, and don't pretend to know what happened, and how they were trained. Our modern army is a bit more sophisticated then you think. In fact we're constantly trained and briefed about the laws of war. Every soldier knows that if pulls the trigger at the wrong person, or in the wrong situation, then he can find himself in jail for the rest of his life, or in the elctric chair even. In fact, many soldiers die because they HAVE to think twice before killing, and because of the treacherous nature of the enemy. I'm sure you've heard the story of how insurgents will play dead while they're pulling the pin of a hidden grenade.
Now, for you to argue that soldiers are mindless killing machines is completely born of your lack of knowledge, and your willingness to accept the garbage that people vomit to denounce some of their greatest heroes.
Since we do not live in Utopia, I believe a military is necessary for DEFENSE, not invasion
So fight the war on our turf? We've seen that. Pearl Harbor, World Trade Center..... is that what you want more of?
You are right that I have not murdered(or killed any person whatsoever), except the animals I used to kill for food. I no longer do that since I realized there is no reason to kill animals when we can get everything we need from non animal sources.
I hope you realize that I was being facetious. I said that comment only to show how ridiculous one could get if he wanted to go too far. I don't endorse eating only lettuce the rest of your life.
Killing should be the very last resort. Almost all things, when dealing with clinically sane individuals, can be solved through negotiations.
Well, that brings a couple of points. By what standards do you judge on insane, and also, how do you propose getting these people to voluntarily be evaluated. Should F.D.R. have told the people "Well, we're awaiting the results of Hitler's psychoanalysis before we make plans to go to war."
Well, if you had a british psychiatrist examining him then, you'd probably be happy with the results. But what if you had a german doing it? Or do you have to psychoanalyze, the psychoanlyzers first? Or maybe it should just be based on popular vote.
You see where that's getting.
We should not have pride in our country or our state or city. If we are to feel any pride at all it should be for the sake of God, not patriotism or George Bush. Our loyalty should be with God, not our country.
Really............. and what resource is this belief based on? Does this ancient and wise treasure allow us to have pride in our children? Our work? Or is it severly limited to what feels right at the time?
Too many people fight for their country instead of God.
The World Trade Center was destroyed in the name of Allah. The witch hunt and inquisition were done for the glory of the Lord. The massacre and rape of Hagia Sofia was even in the name of God!
So tell me, when does one know that war is done for God?
Now, for t3gah,
My youngest brother was a Marine during the Beruit thing. He wanted to kill them all if they ordered him to. After he studied the bible and saw God's viewpoint through both the old testament and new testament, his viewpoint has changed.
Emphasis added.
Well, I think the emphasis says enough, and demonstrates exactly what we're talking about. There are those who want to kill, and those who will kill. There shouldn't be any pleasure in killing..... except that you're still alive maybe....
Killing is killing. The Iraquis are wrong, the afghans are wrong, the americans are wrong, everyone that kills in battle of any kind is in direct violation and are contradicting the christian code of morals and ethics. All such are termed, murderers. The scriptures even go on to state that those who do such things have no eternal life remaining in them.
And in what context of scripture is this in? Is this the T3gah Abridged Version? Once again, do we not count the Old Testament? Please tell me in what portion of scripture did Christ even address the issue of war? Isn't He (according to Revelations) coming down with the saints in the battle of Armeggedon? I don't think that's referencing the Christ coming down to negotiate a peace agreement.
Everyone that kills at the orders of someone else and or themselves is guilty of murder in the Christian God's eyes.
Your taking quite a bit of liberty here. Tell me, do you subscribe to Omnipotent Weekly, or does God e-mail you these revelations directly?
Every war and conflict where people were killed was wrong and all the future ones are wrong according to Christianity.
Well, if you don't count Armegeddon....
12:19 Dont seek revenge yourselves, beloved, but give place to Gods wrath. For it is written, Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord.
Well, I don't recall hearing about God coming down from the heavens to smite Adolf Hitler, the butcher of God's chosen people. Now is God just making empty promises, or could He have possibly used the Allies?
Now I have really good question.
Are there any here who argue that war is murder, that would like to defend abortion?
That would be an interesting conflict of ideals......
