resurrection and the living dead

Ok... the idea of resurrection is that you somehow come back to life after you die right...
would that make those people Zombies?

imagine hords of the 'faithful' shambling around trying to feast on the 'unbelivers' brains... :lol:

I guess to make this a genuine topic...
How do religions that preach riseing from the dead deal with the eventual decay of the body and thus the lack of stuff to be risen?

wa:-do

Many churches will refer you to a scripture in Ezekiel where the prophet prophecies over the dead bones and sinew and flesh is formed on them and then they all come to life.

The question is, does this "resurrection" refer to something literal in exactly the way most of the churches teach, or is it a spiritual resurrection?

if its physical then what about all those people who don't have anything left? Are bones the minimum requirement for resurection?

Now if Jesus was resurected with his wounds still present... holes in the hands and feet... what if someone has lost an arm?
or gotten thier head blown off?

Also is the belief in the modern pop-Zombie simply a cynical or paranoid look at the process of resurection?

would we have Zombies if we didn't have the concept of resurection?

wa:-do

There are stories of dead people coming to life and walking the earth that go back long before the time of Christ and His resurrection. I'm sure the fear of the dead is a natural human emotion that is connected to the fear of dying. Where there is such fear you will always find storytellers that capitalize on these fears for effect.

However, that is not to say that some of these stories don't originate from something more substantial.

I believe that physical resurrection is still possible. After all, the Bible does say "with God nothing is impossible". However, literalizing the doctrine of the "Resurrection of the Dead" creates alot more problems than answers. By literalize I really mean "physicalize". Such problems include your zombie questions such as " will their head grow back if it has been chopped off?" " what if they were cremated" "what if they were a baby, how will they crawl out of the grave if they never learned how to crawl?"

Remember, the disciples themselves couldn't get over the whole "physical kingdom" idea no matter how many times that Jesus clarified this for them. And these same type of ideas were floating around about heaven back in Jesus day and ironically they're still prevalent in the church world today even after Jesus straightened it out.

There was the story about a woman with seven different husbands who died, they asked Jesus whose wife she would be in the Resurrection. He replied that there would be no marriages in the resurrection and that the scribes were ignorant of the scripture for not knowing this.

Why would there be no marriage in the Ressurection? Because there are no physical bodies in heaven. Only spirits.

The Resurrection of the Dead is a very spiritual occurrence that will literally happen....but not in the physical sense.


Destinata7

I'm shure that the fact that evey once in a while someone apears dead when they arn't... Hence the four (or longer) day wait while people mourn before burial. Just in case...didn't help with the whole fear of the dead thing.

so then we become ghosts instead of zombies?

If there are no phyical bodies then how were the Apostles able to touch Jesus after the resurection? Wouldn't they have passed through him?

wa:-do

destinata7 said:

The Resurrection of the Dead is a very spiritual occurrence that will literally happen....but not in the physical sense.

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Good morning. Destinata7. That was a very learned presentation, despite the fact that you appear ignorant of, or disinterested in, 2nd Temple period beliefs. In any event, are you suggesting that Matthew's zombies is 27:52-53 were just zombies, or that Matthew was spinning yet another tall tail? I have always thought that the author, being aware that physical resurrection was associated with the coming of the messiah in Jewish thought, made it up to make his narrative more sellable.

1 Cor. 15:36-50
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: [37] And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: [38] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. [39] All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. [40] There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. [41] There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. [42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: [44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. [45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. [46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. [48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. [50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

In "the Resurrection of the Dead" doctrine the Bible clearly states that the form that is resurrected is a spiritual form and not a physical one. Now as pertaining to people that are raised from the dead and return to the same physical form, I don't call that "resurrection" but "regeneration". Having two different things labeled the same can be confusing to many people.

That's all I have time for right now. I'll give you more in a few days.

Take care (you too Deut),

Destinata7

Here is the scripture I told you about earlier:

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.


When you are "resurrected" you are as the angels in heaven. Definitely a different kind of body.


Destinata7

destinata7 said:

1 Cor. 15:36-50 ...

That's all I have time for right now. I'll give you more in a few days.

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No need - I've read the book. What you could do, however, is answer my previous question.

so Lazarus was either regenerated or turned into an earthly angel?

if angels dont have physical bodies then how can they be touched?

why cant they marry? And if men are supposed to be superior to angels in that they are gods chosen children then why would we want to downgrade to angelness?

wa:-do

Based on what we know from the Bible about Lazurus, it appears to me that he was regenerated.

As to the "saints" who crawled out of their graves during the resurrection of Jesus and made a bee-line for the "holy city", I don't believe this is what the Bible refers to as the "Resurrection of the Dead"(the specific doctrine).

"And if men are supposed to be superior to angels" Could you please qualify this statement a little more. Where do you get this from scripturally?