The lord says to love thy neibor. You don't have to like there sin. Favorite or not its the true.You should never love sin and no I don't talk in church. You know why because the bible says not to. We are under christs law (new testament). Christians are to follow what it says to the t. Alot of people pick and choose what they want to follow. Thats not the way were supposed to be. Everyone is a sinner, we need to ask forgiveness and make our life right with God and follow his will.anders said:
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The Bible and Homosexuality
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Lightkeeper
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amanda said:
Jesus was trying to tell us how to find the Christ inside of each of us. They weren't laws, they were pathways. If they were laws he wouldn't have spoken in parables, he would have been more concise. He spoke in parables in order to bypass the mind and touch the Essence inside of us. I become concerned at militant Christianity. Many modern Christian churches preach the Christ within and assist the congregation at finding that.
Lightkeeper
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I think Jesus upheld the law of the Ten Commandments, however there was nothing in there about homosexuality. He also turned his back on many of the Old Testiment laws and practice.
Explain 1 cor.6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not enter the kingdom of God? Do not be DECIEVED, neither fornicators, idolater, adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS nor sodomites nor thieves, covetous,revilers, extortioner will inherit the kindom of God. 1 tim. for fornicators, SODOMITES ( this means perverts,homosexuals, those who defile themselves with other men) ,for kidnappers,liars,perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to the sound doctrine. "These 2 passages people completely ignore. Whats not to understand about these passages. There plain as day.
Green Gaia
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amanda said:
1 Corinthians 6:9 and l Timothy 1:10 (since I'm sure you'll be quoting that one next
) "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
1Corinthians 6:9 KJV
For Whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1 Timothy 1:10 KJV
There are two words which appear to have been mistranslated. Malakee (effeminate) which appears in 1 Corinthians, and arsenokeeteh (abusers of themselves with mankind) which appears in both 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy.
The Greek term malakee is used elsewhere in the Bible to mean someone who lacks discipline or one who is morally weak, and never is it used in reference to sexuality or gender. It wasn't until 1946 that malakee was given a sexual connotation when it was translated to mean "sexual perverts" in the Revised Standard Version.
The second term arsenokeeteh literally means "male-active-bed". Unfortunately, arsenokeeteh has been interpreted by some to mean homosexual. The term arsenokeeteh is obscure, as evidenced by the variety of interpretations it has been assigned throughout history (including "people with infamous habits", and "child molesters"). If Paul was addressing male homosexuality why did he choose such an obscure word when there were Greek words that were more commonly used to describe homosexual behavior? Given Paul's concern with temple prostitution, wouldn't it make more sense to assume that "male-active-bed" was a reference to the male cult prostitution that was prevalent in Greco-Roman culture at that time?
Amanda, did you read the first two posts in this thread? If you did and don't agree with them, that's fine, I was just wondering.
Also, Paul wrote Corinthians and Timothy, correct? So those are the Paul's words and ideas, not Jesus'. So even if Paul was condemning homosexuality, that doesn't mean Jesus did. And the fact that Jesus remains silent on the issue I think is very telling.
Ceridwen018
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Good say, Maize!
Amanda,
Oh honey! Take a step back and think about what you're saying here! Do you mean to tell me that you find women to be inferior to men? Also, if you don't speak in church because the bible says not to, do you also not eat shellfish, nor wear clothing of mixed threads? It bans those things too. In fact, the ancient Jews had over 600 laws of that nature. Do you follow them all?
When Jesus came and died, he was supposed to be starting a new covenant with the people. This new covenant got rid of all those crazy laws, and instead concerned itself with reforming people's ideas of religion from 'laws, and doctrine', to 'basic moral principles'.
Amanda,
Oh honey! Take a step back and think about what you're saying here! Do you mean to tell me that you find women to be inferior to men? Also, if you don't speak in church because the bible says not to, do you also not eat shellfish, nor wear clothing of mixed threads? It bans those things too. In fact, the ancient Jews had over 600 laws of that nature. Do you follow them all?
When Jesus came and died, he was supposed to be starting a new covenant with the people. This new covenant got rid of all those crazy laws, and instead concerned itself with reforming people's ideas of religion from 'laws, and doctrine', to 'basic moral principles'.
Pah
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The lord says to love thy neibor. You don't have to like there sin. Favorite or not its the true.You should never love sin and no I don't talk in church. You know why because the bible says not to. We are under christs law (new testament). Christians are to follow what it says to the t. Alot of people pick and choose what they want to follow. Thats not the way were supposed to be. Everyone is a sinner, we need to ask forgiveness and make our life right with God and follow his will.[/quote]
The circumstances of homosexuality being termed a "sin" or "immoral" are taken from the authority of the Bible. Even if Christianity could agree on one interpretation of how to treat homosexuals in society (Christianity can not agree in its interpretation of homosexuality as witnessed by the opening post - there are many other interpretations just in this area)
it is not the authority for the American government. The Constitution and constitutional law is the authority under which secular society lives. Sectarian governing bodies differ in what a homosexual may do within the Church. There is no "united" Christian front to stand against homosexuality and same sex marriage.
The circumstances of homosexuality being termed a "sin" or "immoral" are taken from the authority of the Bible. Even if Christianity could agree on one interpretation of how to treat homosexuals in society (Christianity can not agree in its interpretation of homosexuality as witnessed by the opening post - there are many other interpretations just in this area)
it is not the authority for the American government. The Constitution and constitutional law is the authority under which secular society lives. Sectarian governing bodies differ in what a homosexual may do within the Church. There is no "united" Christian front to stand against homosexuality and same sex marriage.
Lightkeeper
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amanda said:
Maize answered this in the beginning of the thread. You might want to reread the first part of this thread.
The bible said a woman should not have a authority of a man and to keep silent in the church. I find no offense to that. Yes I go completely by the new testament. I know people have there own opinion about homosexuals. I just don't see how it could be okay with God. All you see in the bible is man and woman. I consider homosexuals perverts. Its not at all moral. Those who think otherwise will have to answer to God. Theres nothing natural about it. Anybody in the right mind can see that. This is all I have to say about this subject, moving on to other subjects.
Green Gaia
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Well, I asked Her about it, and She doesn't have a problem with people who love and care about each other, no matter what gender they are.amanda said:
So? That doesn't prove anything.
"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision."
:hi: Hello, pervert here. Be careful with the name-calling, please.
I've known some quite perverted heterosexuals, but I would never label all heteros as perverts. Tell me how is loving someone of your same gender perverted just because you don't understand it?
Neither is hate and judgement, but there seems to be plenty of that going around these days.
Neither is flying, but you don't see people trying to ban airplanes. Seriously, by definition there is nothing "unnatural" about being gay. Being gay is not "against nature" because gay people are created that way. If by "unnatural" you mean "in the minority" then you'd have to say that people with green eyes or red hair are unnatural as well.
What is natural anyway? Love seems the most natural thing to me. Much more natural than hate anyway.
Are you saying that all people who do nor condemn homosexuals and call us perverts are not in their right mind? Keep in mind you're talking about A LOT of people, many of them leaders in their fields, doctors, lawyers, businesspeople, musicians, religious leaders, etc.
Pah
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I would have to disagree in the exchange between Maize and Amanda that homosexuality is not nataural. God, in his creation, produced over 300 other animals (those are documented in scientific studies - there may be many more) - animals that share homosexuality with humans. He created the animals first and included that sexuality in man. Homosexuality is entirely natural.
If natural, homosexuality can not be perverted.
If natural, homosexuality can not be perverted.
Lightkeeper
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amanda said:
Calling people perverts and suggesting people are not in their right minds if they don't see things your way is not acceptable. This is not displaying love for your fellow people.
Lightkeeper
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Maize said:
A-maize-ing post, Maize. You are a healer and exemplify the love we are all seeking.
Ceridwen018
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Amanda,
"The bible said a woman should not have a authority of a man and to keep silent in the church. I find no offense to that. Yes I go completely by the new testament. I know people have there own opinion about homosexuals. I just don't see how it could be okay with God. All you see in the bible is man and woman. I consider homosexuals perverts. Its not at all moral. Those who think otherwise will have to answer to God. Theres nothing natural about it. Anybody in the right mind can see that. This is all I have to say about this subject, moving on to other subjects."
Well, ya gotta admit here, people. She claims to follow ALL of the OT, and if that be true, she's a hell of a lot better off in that department than the pickers and choosers who are eating their shellfish!
I'm not saying I agree with you Amanda, but you've shown theological logicity (is that an oxymoron? :lol: ) in the fact that for you it's all or nothing, which is how it should be.
"The bible said a woman should not have a authority of a man and to keep silent in the church. I find no offense to that. Yes I go completely by the new testament. I know people have there own opinion about homosexuals. I just don't see how it could be okay with God. All you see in the bible is man and woman. I consider homosexuals perverts. Its not at all moral. Those who think otherwise will have to answer to God. Theres nothing natural about it. Anybody in the right mind can see that. This is all I have to say about this subject, moving on to other subjects."
Well, ya gotta admit here, people. She claims to follow ALL of the OT, and if that be true, she's a hell of a lot better off in that department than the pickers and choosers who are eating their shellfish!
I'm not saying I agree with you Amanda, but you've shown theological logicity (is that an oxymoron? :lol: ) in the fact that for you it's all or nothing, which is how it should be.
Green Gaia
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Lightkeeper said:
Thank you, that means a lot.
Lightkeeper
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Ceridwen018 said:
Please don't mock or laugh at other people's beliefs. We can nicely disagree.