Jesus a Messiah?

may said:

Jesus christ fullfilled many outstanding messianic prophecies in the hebrew scriptures. these were regarding his early life, his ministry and his betrayal and death.

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which ones? specify

jewscout said:

which ones? specify

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here are some prophecies that jesus fullfilled.

HIS​

EARLY LIFE​

Isaiah 7:14 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18-23​

Jeremiah 31:15 Babes killed after his birth Matthew 2:16-18​

HIS​

MINISTRY​

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Isaiah 61:1, 2 His commission from God Luke 4:18-21​

Isaiah 9:1, 2 Ministry caused people to Matthew 4:13-16​

see a great light​

Psalm 69:9 Zealous for Jehovah’s house John 2:13-17​

Isaiah 53:1 Not believed in John 12:37, 38​

Zechariah 9:9; Entry into Jerusalem on colt Matthew 21:1-9​

Psalm 118:26 of an ***; hailed as king​

and as the one coming in​

Jehovah’s name​

HIS​

BETRAYAL AND DEATH​

Psalm 41:9; 109:8 One apostle unfaithful; Acts 1:15-20​

betrays Jesus and is​

later replaced​

Zechariah 11:12 Betrayed for 30 pieces Matthew 26:14, 15​

of silver​

Psalm 27:12 False witnesses used Matthew 26:59-61​

against him​

Psalm 22:18 Lots cast for his garments John 19:23, 24​

Isaiah 53:12 Numbered with sinners Matthew 27:38​

Psalm 22:7, 8 Reviled while dying Mark 15:29-32​

Psalm 69:21 Given vinegar Mark 15:23, 36​

Isaiah 53:5; Pierced John 19:34, 37​

Zechariah 12:10​

Isaiah 53:9 Buried with the rich Matthew 27:57-60​

Psalm 16:8-11, ftn. Raised before corruption Acts 2:25-32;​

13:34-37

sorry about the spaces on the last post i am not very good on computers must be my age again LOL

may said:

Isaiah 7:14 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18-23

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:areyoucra umm Isaiah is not talking about a virgin...you are reading an incorrect translation of the hebrew which actually says young woman

He has not fulfilled the job of the Moshiach ben David, the goals set out in prophecy in the Tanach
Gathering in of the exiles: Isaiah 11:12
Rebuilding of the Temple...not a "spiritual" one a REAL PHYSICAL TEMPLE ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT: Ezekiel 37:26-27
Rule during a time of world peace: Micah 4:3
He will rule when all of the Jews are observant of all of G-d's commandments: Ezekiel 37:24
He will rule when ALL PEOPLE will acknowledge and serve the one G-d: Isaiah 66:23

you sight alot of psalms....however psalms is not a collection of prophecy...they are songs and poems attributed to the writings of David

may said:

here are some prophecies that jesus fullfilled. ... Isaiah 7:14 Born of a virgin Matthew 1:18-23

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Not even close. :banghead3

jewscout and deut..... I know you are having fun with this piece of may's post, but I thought I might add..... Mary was a young woman...... and a virgin.

jewscout said:

:areyoucra umm Isaiah is not talking about a virgin...you are reading an incorrect translation of the hebrew which actually says young woman

He has not fulfilled the job of the Moshiach ben David, the goals set out in prophecy in the Tanach

Gathering in of the exiles: Isaiah 11:12

Rebuilding of the Temple...not a "spiritual" one a REAL PHYSICAL TEMPLE ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT: Ezekiel 37:26-27

Rule during a time of world peace: Micah 4:3

He will rule when all of the Jews are observant of all of G-d's commandments: Ezekiel 37:24

He will rule when ALL PEOPLE will acknowledge and serve the one G-d: Isaiah 66:23


you sight alot of psalms....however psalms is not a collection of prophecy...they are songs and poems attributed to the writings of David

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The whole temple thing freaks me out. IF the temple on the temple mount is so important then why did Israel the country let a mosque get built there?

With all the millions spent on defense, why hasn't the government just rebuilt the temple themselves?

I see people praying to a wall. A wall. God denounced people who took the templ out of it's context when they elevated it in, I think it was in Ezekiel, or Micah, I'll find that later. Anyway, God said that he didn't care about the temple and soon after, a Godly timeframe 'soon', the temple was destroyed.

Sounds like God wanted it to be destroyed because people got 'confused'.


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As for 'virgin' and 'young woman' being so differently opposed terms to each other. This is why I have or had now that some bickering people got my thread closed, a poll, and a debate forum over bible translations and should a new more accurate bible be translated.

I think one should examine the text in Greek written by the apostles who knew the customs, terminology and the Law, and compare those terms or words they used to the Hebrew scriptures. They of all people knew what was what better than all of us combined..

SOGFPP said:

jewscout and deut..... I know you are having fun with this piece of may's post, but I thought I might add..... Mary was a young woman...... and a virgin.

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but there is no prerequisite for the mother of the moshiach ben david to be a virgin....and how many million have mothered sons at a young age?

Perhaps i should have prefaced this with something i put in my "Evidence that Jesus was the Messiah" thread

myself! said:

When i say Messiah i'm talking about the Jewish Messiah and the role he is supposed to play in the Jewish tradition of the coming Messianic Era....Now that doesn't mean he couldn't have been a messenger from G-d to the Gentiles but he failed to fulfill the work of the Moshiach while he was here....If he returns and is the Moshiach we will all know. Really we can't know who the Moshiach is until after the fact, he will simply do it because that is what he will be compelled to do.

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t3gah said:

I think one should examine the text in Greek written by the apostles who knew the customs, terminology and the Law, and compare those terms or words they used to the Hebrew scriptures. They of all people knew what was what better than all of us combined..

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I agree.... do that.... PLEASE do that.

Study some 1-3 century history of the Christian faith..... like you say, they would know better than we could.

Scott

jewscout said:

but there is no prerequisite for the mother of the moshiach ben david to be a virgin....and how many million have mothered sons at a young age?

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That's fine..... she just happened to be one.... others are trying to use it as a proof text, I am just pointing out that Mary was indeed a young woman who happened to be a virgin.... take that for what it's worth.

t3gah said:

The whole temple thing freaks me out. IF the temple on the temple mount is so important then why did Israel the country let a mosque get built there?

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The Dome of the Rock was there for centuries before the modern state of Israel existed and when it was built Jerusalem was under muslim control and there wasn't a temple there at the time.

t3gah said:

With all the millions spent on defense, why hasn't the government just rebuilt the temple themselves?

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Maybe because they don't want a mass riot on their hands?? And there's freedom of religion!? Also i'd bet money that those within the more religious communities in Israel as well as the Orthodox Jews in the States might crap themselves if someone other than the Moshiach ben David rebuilt the temple.

t3gah said:

I see people praying to a wall. A wall. God denounced people who took the templ out of it's context when they elevated it in, I think it was in Ezekiel, or Micah, I'll find that later. Anyway, God said that he didn't care about the temple and soon after, a Godly timeframe 'soon', the temple was destroyed.

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The Temple was the home of the Holy of Holies, this was G-d's house!! It was the central point of the jewish faith. I wonder how Scott and the other catholics would react if Vatican City was razed to the ground with nothing left but a side of St. Peter's Basilica and the catholics of the world weren't permitted to rebuild it? I'd wager they'd be making pilgrimages to pray to a wall too!

t3gah said:

I think one should examine the text in Greek written by the apostles who knew the customs, terminology and the Law, and compare those terms or words they used to the Hebrew scriptures. They of all people knew what was what better than all of us combined..

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If we're talking about the Moshiach ben David i think the Tanach and writings from the sages and people like Rambam should suffice....

SOGFPP said:

jewscout and deut..... I know you are having fun with this piece of may's post, but I thought I might add..... Mary was a young woman...... and a virgin.

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We can discuss the Virgin Birth elsewhere if you wish. The fact remains that there is no basis for insisting that Isaiah 7:14 has anything to do with Jesus..

Deut. 32.8 said:

We can discuss the Virgin Birth elsewhere if you wish. The fact remains that there is no basis for insisting that Isaiah 7:14 has anything to do with Jesus..

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Quite right.... that was my point, and now I realize that it was off topic.... thanks Deut.

Scott