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Bible Codes

oracle

Active Member
seraphimfire said:
The Kablala is based mostly on the same premise and I don't put any stock in that at all!
Real Kabbalah is taught one on one apprenticeship style, Gematria is not Kabbalah and tarot cards are not Kabbalah. If it is advertised, it's not Kabbalah.
 

oracle

Active Member
The real probelm is a psychological one. People want to believe in something like this, just like people want to believe in psychics. These things actually create an emotional high, and people subconsciously do it for that high rather than realizing the facts. I would say that 95% of all conspiracy theories are false. Michael Drosnin is someone who knows this and he knows he can cheat people out of their money. What do you think will sell more? A book like that or a book that says there's no bible code. People want to believe that a bible code exists. I will say that there are some encoded messages, but it's not very elegant like the advertised bible code.

It's really rediculous how people cheat others out of their money.
 
Sorry about the mispellings. Kabbala is spelled many ways seen in books and on the net. I know the book's main intent is mathematical, am I correct in this understanding? What I've seen is a large cult following involving many differing views on Kabbala. This is another thread altgether! You are right Oracle, many people are facinated by something that promises secrets revealed. I'm not very wealthy and to produce something as complicated as the Bible Code just to make me rich goes against all my integrety.
 

oracle

Active Member
seraphimfire said:
Sorry about the mispellings. Kabbala is spelled many ways seen in books and on the net. I know the book's main intent is mathematical, am I correct in this understanding? What I've seen is a large cult following involving many differing views on Kabbala. This is another thread altgether! You are right Oracle, many people are facinated by something that promises secrets revealed.
"Cabala" is christian spelling, "Qabala" is occult spelling, "Kabbalah" is the scholarly spelling, the number of B's and L's varies from author to author. There are books such as the Zohar and the Sefer Yitzera. I have not researched into Kabbalah extensively, but from what I know it involves the letter-numbers of the Hebrew Alphabet. I've been told that gematria however, is not real Kabbalah. Basically gematria assigns numerical values to the hebrew letters, and you have three types: archetypal, existential, and cosmic. Anyways, if someone advertises secrets revealed it's not a secret, most likely it's very unsupported, and if it is, it's trash.
 

Juman

New Member
robtex said:
One of the bigger critiisms of both Judism and Christanity is the question of why God was writing up a storm centuries ago and has writer's block today. ELS is a theory that fills in that gap for believers.
The whole purpose of the bible was to reveal jesus, and help people deal with the end times. Jesus is revealed, revelations is there, so God has nothing more to say. If we need more proof, then we diserve what is coming for us.

That said, at least at this stage, the bible codes seem to be a bit of wishful thinking. People are so desperate to find means for proving the bible right, when all they have to do is read the content. True skeptics will never be convinced of anything and these people are the only ones that stand to benifit from a mathematical proof.
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Two movies that come to mind is "Pi" and a " A Beautiful Mind" that deal with Bible codes and codes that are supposedly incorporated into our current media to relate messages and prophecies.
 

may

Well-Known Member
"There exists a God in the heavens who is a Revealer of secrets."—DANIEL 2:28.

For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets AMOS 3; 7

"Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.(MATTHEW 24 45-47)So true christians dont need bible codes because the God of heaven is already revealing his secrets to his slaves .

 

linwood

Well-Known Member
Maize said:
My question is, why are codes only found in the Torah?
They aren`t.

Those who have debunked the Bible Codes have found them in Moby Dick, War and Peace and a Tale of Two Cities.

If you mean they haven`t been found in the NT I don`t know.

Maybe no ones looked .
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
I realize that... but I meant the ones that say there is a Bible Code only find them in the Torah... or am I confused about that? (I just watched a 2 hour show on the History channel about this, and I'm still confused on that point.)
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
linwood said:
They aren`t.

Those who have debunked the Bible Codes have found them in Moby Dick, War and Peace and a Tale of Two Cities.

If you mean they haven`t been found in the NT I don`t know.

Maybe no ones looked .

I'm betting on the "no one's looked." I've even seen KJV-Onlyists who found them in the KJV (proving its inspiration of course).
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Maize said:
I realize that... but I meant the ones that say there is a Bible Code only find them in the Torah... or am I confused about that? (I just watched a 2 hour show on the History channel about this, and I'm still confused on that point.)

No, you're not confused about it. BC advocates make that claim and conveniently ignore the contrary finds :).
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
Maize said:
So, the BC advocates only look in the Torah, and ignore the rest? Why?

Convenience. If you want to use the codes to prove the inspiration of the Hebrew Bible, then the presence of codes elsewhere invalidates it (as does a rudimentary grasp of textual criticism :p). Some people purposely ignore it, others don't believe the claims when they hear it, and still others don't know the alternatives. They simply assume that it is unique.

I can't say anything about a single individual, but I can say that it's appeared in other literature and mention the motives I have seen.
 

Doc

Space Chief
Anyone could switch the meaning of just about any piece of literature to predict the future or prove the past. I was watching something on this not long ago.

Yes perhaps, if I could have translated my poetry last year from English to Greek to German to Arabic to French back to English then Russian and Chinese and finally back to English, randomly scramble the letters and replace all the E's with R's and As with Ts I could have predicted the Tsunami and saved tons of people. Plainly, a monkey with a keyboard will eventually type a word.

I could say that the mysterious JRR Tolkien predicted the 9-11 because of his book the Two Towers. Both towers of great industry one destroyed before the other and eventually a memorial/forest garden created over the ruins. If only I could have seen it earlier.
 
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