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"Word of God" & discrepancies???
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benign6
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OK now christians r married to god. Every christian has his own concepts of christianity. & would u explain how those verses refer to marriage & not having X.????
U seen to b dreaming in the day!!! u don't seeem to undestand so simple wordings & tend to make up explaination of ur own all the time.
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Since jesus was god being a part of gods body, deciples should also b gods,
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Since u r very good at making up explainations so here is some more homework for u:-
(please don't give me OT, NT crap as it is said MT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.MT 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
MT 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.)
"And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)"
"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"
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What a role prophets r given in bible???:-
"One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the WIFE of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home. ( 2 Samuel 11:2-4)"
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"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)"
****************** & punished was his son**********what a justice**************
14 But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die."
***********************while it was NOT the justice***********************
EZEK 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
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This verse is also answer to ur concept that u should keep on doing sins coz u r already forgiven:-
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divorce rate in USA is above 60% so calculate ADULTARY rate according to this definition urself:-
Matthew 5:31 "You have heard that the law of Moses says, `A man can divorce his wife by merely giving her a letter of divorce.' 32 But I say that a man who divorces his wife, unless for fornication, causes her to commit adultery. And anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
& since Adultarere & Adultaress should b put to death(Lev20:10) so.................following bible can b good way to reduce world's population.Unless u say all those divorses r because of acts of fornication !!!! that's why ppl don't marry in west they just have relations coz marrying is such a risky thing to do, it can risk ur life if it doesn't go well.
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& lots of things i'm restraining myself from, if u want we can discuss those as well??? (provided u don't report to moderators
) which would be about a gods' word discussing of women's vaginas and breasts tasting like "wine", and brothers can "suck" their sisters' and lovers' privates & how to masturbate etc.
A mild example would be:-Should u sleep with brother's wife -or- NOT????
Leviticus 20:21 If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless. (will they?????? but the very purpose was to have a child, see below)
DEUT 25:5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
Do u ppl perform ur duty???? since to follow OT is also ur duty:-
MT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. MT 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. MT 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
U seen to b dreaming in the day!!! u don't seeem to undestand so simple wordings & tend to make up explaination of ur own all the time.
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Since jesus was god being a part of gods body, deciples should also b gods,
u all should b gods, since u said
. As i said before u should have at least 14 gods.
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Since u r very good at making up explainations so here is some more homework for u:-
(please don't give me OT, NT crap as it is said MT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.MT 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
MT 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.)
"And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)"
"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"
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What a role prophets r given in bible???:-
"One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the WIFE of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home. ( 2 Samuel 11:2-4)"
******************************************while punishment is***********************************
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)"
****************** & punished was his son**********what a justice**************
14 But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die."
***********************while it was NOT the justice***********************
EZEK 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
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This verse is also answer to ur concept that u should keep on doing sins coz u r already forgiven:-
& jesus was NOT sent for the world JN 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. He was only to guide jews...... i better start new thread on this topic.
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divorce rate in USA is above 60% so calculate ADULTARY rate according to this definition urself:-
Matthew 5:31 "You have heard that the law of Moses says, `A man can divorce his wife by merely giving her a letter of divorce.' 32 But I say that a man who divorces his wife, unless for fornication, causes her to commit adultery. And anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
& since Adultarere & Adultaress should b put to death(Lev20:10) so.................following bible can b good way to reduce world's population.Unless u say all those divorses r because of acts of fornication !!!! that's why ppl don't marry in west they just have relations coz marrying is such a risky thing to do, it can risk ur life if it doesn't go well.
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& lots of things i'm restraining myself from, if u want we can discuss those as well??? (provided u don't report to moderators
) which would be about a gods' word discussing of women's vaginas and breasts tasting like "wine", and brothers can "suck" their sisters' and lovers' privates & how to masturbate etc.A mild example would be:-Should u sleep with brother's wife -or- NOT????
Leviticus 20:21 If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless. (will they?????? but the very purpose was to have a child, see below)
DEUT 25:5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
Do u ppl perform ur duty???? since to follow OT is also ur duty:-
MT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. MT 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. MT 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
JayHawes
Active Member
OK now christians r married to god. Every christian has his own concepts of christianity. & would u explain how those verses refer to marriage & not having X.????
U seen to b dreaming in the day!!! u don't seeem to undestand so simple wordings & tend to make up explaination of ur own all the time.
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*
*
Since jesus was god being a part of gods body, deciples should also b gods, u all should b gods, since u said . As i said before u should have at least 14 gods.
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*
Since u r very good at making up explainations so here is some more homework for u:-
(please don't give me OT, NT crap as it is said MT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.MT 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
MT 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.)
"And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)"
"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"
=====================================================
What a role prophets r given in bible???:-
"One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the WIFE of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home. ( 2 Samuel 11:2-4)"
******************************************while punishment is***********************************
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)"
****************** & punished was his son**********what a justice**************
14 But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die."
***********************while it was NOT the justice***********************
EZEK 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
*
*
This verse is also answer to ur concept that u should keep on doing sins coz u r already forgiven:- & jesus was NOT sent for the world JN 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. He was only to guide jews...... i better start new thread on this topic.
===========================================================
divorce rate in USA is above 60% so calculate ADULTARY rate according to this definition urself:-
Matthew 5:31 "You have heard that the law of Moses says, `A man can divorce his wife by merely giving her a letter of divorce.' 32 But I say that a man who divorces his wife, unless for fornication, causes her to commit adultery. And anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
& since Adultarere & Adultaress should b put to death(Lev20:10) so.................following bible can b good way to reduce world's population.Unless u say all those divorses r because of acts of fornication !!!! that's why ppl don't marry in west they just have relations coz marrying is such a risky thing to do, it can risk ur life if it doesn't go well.
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*
& lots of things i'm restraining myself from, if u want we can discuss those as well??? (provided u don't report to moderators
A mild example would be:-Should u sleep with brother's wife -or- NOT????
Leviticus 20:21 If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless. (will they?????? but the very purpose was to have a child, see below)
DEUT 25:5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
Do u ppl perform ur duty???? since to follow OT is also ur duty:-
MT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. MT 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. MT 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Dont post so much at one time....:cover: ...it hurts to read so much.
Re 21:9 "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
The bride is the Church, the Lamb is Jesus.
Becoming one flesh is not a direct reference to sex, it is a reference to marriage.
We come joint-heirs with Christ. We dont become God, as you seem to assume by my theology.
1) My concept is not that we should continue doing sin becuase we are forgiven. But we should stop sining becuase we are forgiven. The Apotle Paul wrote: Ro 6:15What then? are we to go on in sin because we are not under law but under grace? Let it not be so.
We are forgiven of our sins, and filled with the spirit to produce good works, not sinful deeds.
2) Jesus at first did come to only the Jews but they rejected him (JOhn 1:11). That is why Jesus said "For God so loved the World..." because his gift would not be only to the Jews but also to the gentiles, as prophecy fortold (Isaiah 42:6, Luke 2:32).
3) We, being Christian are not under the Law, but under Grace. I have two commandments to keep (1) To Love God with allmy heart, soul and mind (2) To love my neighbor as myself.
Much of what you cited was Jewish tradition. I may say the same of you Prophet Mohammed, as it was Arabian tradition to marry 9 year old girls at the age of the prubity. Yet, do you, if you are 30 or 40 or 50, marry a 6 year old when she turns 9 as Mohammed did? And do you have sex with her? As Mohammed did?
Many traditions are in the bible. It was tradition to have a brother's brother marry the wife of the deceased brother to produce a child. However it was against Jewish law, for a brother to marry a brother's wife except it be for such a casue (because of his death).
JayHawes
Active Member
The descrepancies that get me the most are the numerical ones. Doesnt inspire the ability to count I guess
If one reads the original writings there are no numerical descrepancies.
Caina
Apostate Heretic
Ezra 2:5 and Nehemiah 7:10 for example.If one reads the original writings there are no numerical descrepancies.
Ben 'Arach sheba' me'ah shib'iym chamesh
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Ben 'Arach shesh me'ah chamishshiym shnayim
775 compared to 652
How is there no discrepancy?
JayHawes
Active Member
Consider the manuscripts fom which you translate. There are hundreds of them. Many manuscripts were copied many many times over hundreds of years. Others were copied very few times, these we consider to be more accurate.
benign6
Member
Just 2 !!! i think u have to keep all of em.
MT 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.MT 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
MT 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.)
No we don't, it was tradition of that time. BUT still in some 3rd world countries child marriages r in practice like INDIA.
But if u read further Judah impregnates his daughter-in-law . (Gen:38:7-26) & from that progeny descends Jesus.(Matthew:1:3-16).
JayHawes
Active Member
*The phrase "and teach men so" is referring to the previous clause, those who break the law and teach others do do so shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
I am not under law as i have already said. Jesus himself, if you actually read the verse is saying that the law will not pass away until it all is fulfilled. He said before in verse 17 that he was come to fulfill the law, he did, and some yet has to come to pass concerning him at his return.
Ga 3:24 So the law has been a servant to take us to Christ, so that we might have righteousness by faith.
Ga 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a servant.
I am not under law. I have to keep two commandments, in keeping those two I fulfill all law in the name of Jesus Christ.
Blindinglight
Disciple of Chaos
And why must you fulfill those laws? Or why do you even care to fulfill them?
Seriously Jawhawes, why don't you form your own opinion? You seem to do alot of scripture quoting for an answer.
You have free will, why not use it rather than letting the "Word of God" do your thinking for you? Living as a robot doesn't seem very appealing to me.
JayHawes
Active Member
I would rather love someone than to hate someone. I would rather to love God than to rebell against him. I keep those commandments becuase i wish to produce ood fruit, to feed the hungry and clothe the sick, to give a home to the homeless and to be a father to the fatherless.
I do have my own opinion, and my opinion is that the Word of God is valuable for reproof, teaching and doctrine. I do think for myself, I could use my opinion for my answers but the questions at hand are referring to scripture. I do not live as a robot, I have the freewill to choose my actions and beliefs. I myself would just rather beleive truth, and not fall to the "good" lies of the devil.
JayHawes
Active Member
I said biast because one should have an open, and full interpretaton of what he is trying to say is corrupt. There no use in saying something is corrupt when you dont even understand the message being given.
Caina
Apostate Heretic
Really? and how is it that you assume who does and does not understand something?
JayHawes
Active Member
The Mysteries of Christ can only be understood by someone who has Christ. To not have him and to try to judge those mysteries is to be judging something beyond one's comprehension.
I cannot decide If anyone does or does not understand however, the words one share will reveal if or not they understand.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Here's the rub: Many people approach the Bible from a particular standpoint, believing it to be something it is not. The Bible is not a history text. It's not a technical manual. It isn't science. The Bible isn't particularly or singularly factual. It contains "facts" that contradict each other. The Bible is largely like urban legend, the same basic stories are told from different traditions and different perspectives. It contains poetry, hymns, and wisdom. It contains stories. It contains accounts of dreams and it contains letters of theological concern, written to various congregations.
Only when one looks at the Bible from a sense of reality is one able to honor it for what it is. One can say that the Bible "is not the word of God, because it contains contradictions and facts that do not add up." Why not? Why can't the Bible be inspired by God and contain factual error? Neither the writers, nor the scriptures themselves make the claim that the scriptures are inerrent. Neither did Church authrority for 1500 years. One can say that the Bible is the "inerrent word of God," and justify the discrepancies with shaky theological grounding, but that does not give the Bible its due, either.
One can neither claim that the Bible is not inspired due to its discrepancies, nor can one claim that it is without error. it just is what it is: The written account of God's people about their relationship with God. Placing an undue amount of inerrency upon it places any argument -- pro or con -- within the realm of fantasy.
Only when one looks at the Bible from a sense of reality is one able to honor it for what it is. One can say that the Bible "is not the word of God, because it contains contradictions and facts that do not add up." Why not? Why can't the Bible be inspired by God and contain factual error? Neither the writers, nor the scriptures themselves make the claim that the scriptures are inerrent. Neither did Church authrority for 1500 years. One can say that the Bible is the "inerrent word of God," and justify the discrepancies with shaky theological grounding, but that does not give the Bible its due, either.
One can neither claim that the Bible is not inspired due to its discrepancies, nor can one claim that it is without error. it just is what it is: The written account of God's people about their relationship with God. Placing an undue amount of inerrency upon it places any argument -- pro or con -- within the realm of fantasy.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Doesnt everybody have their own little fantasy
Mine involves pair of ice tongs and a weasel...:run: