the name of G-d

shunyadragon · Apr 8, 2024

Soapy said:
God has a name that he gave to Moses, and thereafter was known by. The name the one true God of the Israelites gave for himself was ‘YHWH’ (in Hebrew) which carries THE MEANING (description, if you like) of ‘I am [He that changeth not]… [The constant one]’.

The name, YHWH, indicates that the owner of it is IMMUTABLE…. IMMORTAL … “Has been, is, and always will be”… who He is.

One name for one immortal being… a personal identifier. No one else of immortality has this name since there can only be one GOD of immutability (in Jewish / Christian / Muslim belief).

Trinity people claim that their God has many names… they say this so they can claim that the Man, Jesus Christ, is also the one true God despite no one ever calling him ‘YHWH’. Get rid of the name, YHWH, and use the many TITLES which apply to ANYONE in certain positions of authority… E.g. “Lord”:

‘Lord, if you had been here Lazarus would not have died!’

Did the speaker really think he was speaking to almighty God (YHWH)… or just calling Jesus like, “Sir” or ‘Master’?

It remains a descriptive term and from the human perspective God has thousands if not more names,

Since there is absolutely no evidence or provenance of the Pentateuch until 600 BCE+ you arguing this is the name of God, but it is in reality a descriptive from a later human perspective. YHWH based on the evidence is Canaanite God form a pantheon of Gods that Hebrews first used in a polytheistic perspective with his female consort and possible other lesser Gods.

Soapy · Apr 8, 2024

shunyadragon said:
It remains a descriptive term and from the human perspective God has thousands if not more names,

Since there is absolutely no evidence or provenance of the Pentateuch until 600 BCE+ you arguing this is the name of God, but it is in reality a descriptive from a later human perspective. YHWH based on the evidence is Canaanite God form a pantheon of Gods that Hebrews first used in a polytheistic perspective with his female consort and possible other lesser Gods.

Please show me one, two, three of the so-called names (not TITLES) of the God of the Israelites other than YHWH.

Link · Apr 8, 2024

Soapy said:
Please show me one, two, three of the so-called names (not TITLES) of the God of the Israelites other than YHWH.

God doesn't have a name in that sense. He has titles, but no real name and it's absurd for eternal being that preceded languages to name himself with one particular language. The closest thing that comes to being his name, is his holy spirit and image from him. That metaphorically is what he has chosen as his name.

Why? A name is how something is referenced, and the image of God/face of God/holy spirit is by how God is referenced. The light of God in his chosen is by how we recall God.

Right now, if you see God, you are not seeing him directly, but through his greatest sign, the leader and guide that is a spirit from God encompassing everything in the heavens and earth.

I should make a topic how "God's greatest name" has always been misunderstood to be a title, when it's more of a metaphor of his light and chosen way to be referenced, that is his word of light brought to life. This is true in the old books, in the Quran, and hadiths.

Another synonym to name of God, is the "God's word".

The holy name of God is so passed into the named, that Quran says "Allah is the light of the heavens and earth". The signs of God in the Unseen, the highest type, is so connected to God, that is why Quran says "You did not throw when you threw but God threw" and said "two bows or closer still".

The believers are to tun to God through the light of his face.

IndigoChild5559 · Apr 11, 2024

Link said:
God doesn't have a name in that sense. He has titles, but no real name

That is not the case. It is not uncommon for people to assign a name to God, whether it be YHWH, or Allah, or Wakan Tanka.

Link said:
Another synonym to name of God, is the "God's word".

Not true. God is not a book, nor is he even limited to what he says.

Link · Apr 13, 2024

IndigoChild5559 said:
That is not the case. It is not uncommon for people to assign a name to God, whether it be YHWH, or Allah, or Wakan Tanka.

Not true. God is not a book, nor is he even limited to what he says.

We can assign names which would be rather arbitrary and not our realm of rights to do so, and it does not make it the actual name of God. At most, we picked a title among many titles to refer to him by as his primary name.

Quran repeats "Allah" the most, but that's because the religion is to worship God. So it's useful to repeat that title, does not make it his name.

However, as a metaphor, the face of God does make sense as his name. His word of light brought to life does make sense. And a book if it's collectively representative of him and is endless in stages of knowledge connecting to him, does also make sense to be his name or that is name is found therein. In the case of the Quran, the reminder is said to be the Quran as well as the Prophet (s), and Ali (a). Together they form the rope of God, the Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) are part of the same coin, the coin is referred to as "God's Name".

God's words in Quran refers to people like Isa (a) and Adam (a), not just physical words, but the beautiful names of God are those who are his face. Titles are never enough to know God, they just help organize information we already have about God through his face. For example, "Merciful" we don't know where mercy is appropriate and not just by that title. The Quran contextualizes it more so that is helpful. But also the light of his face to verify what the Quran claims is even more helpful.

Imam Ali ibn Hussain (a) (the 4th successor) says "the guided are only guided by the light of your face" in Sahija Sajjadiya.

Muffled · Apr 15, 2024

arikroop said:
i have attended a private jewish school for most of my life, and i do not understand why people (mainly christian, not to generalize) say that G-d's hebrew name is "yahew" or "jaweh". first of, the holy name of G-d should never be pronounced, even in the name of education, secondly the letters yud hay vuv hay sound nothing like "yahew"... please clear this up... also are we not to use G-d's name in vain? guess wondering.

I believe Christians are less superstitious.

Muffled · Apr 15, 2024

jimbob said:
Wrong. Gods name is, "I Am".

Perhaps that is what Yahweh means in His language.

Muffled · Apr 15, 2024

true blood said:
How am I wrong? "I Am" doesn't qualify as a "name". God's response was actually "I am that I am" in other words, "I will be what I will be". Kind of in contrast to other "gods" that go by a name of some sort.

I believe all names have meanings. My name could be called an open space in the woods.

IndigoChild5559 · Apr 15, 2024

Muffled said:
I believe Christians are less superstitious.

What do you think of those Protestants who believe if they ask anything in Jesus name they will receive it? Just say the magic words!

How about how Catholics bury a statue of St Joseph in their yard, so that their house will sell?

And then there are those Christians caught up in Prosperity Gospel: if they just send in "seed money" God will make them rich. Isn't that kind of a magic spell?

How about the persistent belief that certain natural events have supernatural origins, events that Science has long explained? Like believing an earthquake is God punishing gays, rather than due to Plate Tectonics?

jimb · Apr 25, 2024

arikroop said:
i have attended a private jewish school for most of my life, and i do not understand why people (mainly christian, not to generalize) say that G-d's hebrew name is "yahew" or "jaweh". first of, the holy name of G-d should never be pronounced, even in the name of education, secondly the letters yud hay vuv hay sound nothing like "yahew"... please clear this up... also are we not to use G-d's name in vain? guess wondering.

In order to create a name that had (and has) meaning, the translators had to come up with a name. Even though YHWH (the tetragrammaton) cannot be pronounced (and of course in ancient Hebrew there were no vowels), they had to add vowels to make it an understandable name. In Judaism the name of God is too sacred to pronounce, but that is not the case with Christianity.

jimb · Apr 25, 2024

wiskeychris said:
To think that gods name should not be used is rediculous. Jewish superstition took the name out of the bible for many years. The entire theme of the bible is the vindication of Gods name Jehovah. Its a theme that starts in Genesis and ends in Revelation.

See my previous post #70.

BTW, why don't you capitalize "gods" in your first sentence?

"The entire theme of the bible is the vindication of Gods name Jehovah". Really? How is that?

IndigoChild5559 · Apr 25, 2024

jimbob said:
Why would we be using God's name in vain if he gave to us to use? Try reading the Bible/Torah. He says "Yahwey" in it.

The yod hey vav hey may be there in the text, but it is not pronounced out loud.

Part of the reason for this is that the correct pronunciation is simply lost in time. Jewish tradition, based on the commandment to not take God's name in vain, had been so concerned with not using the name casually that finally it was pronounced ONLY by the High Priest on Yom Kippur. Well, when the temple was destroyed in 70 CE, obviously that no longer took place. It wasn't long until knowledge of how to correctly pronounce it was forgotten. We know the consonants, but we simply don't know the vowels.

There are guesses by scholars, some better than others. The best known of these guesses are Jehovah and Yahweh. However, in the end, they are still only guesses.

Jews today, when we run across the yod hey vav hey in text, whether it is in the Tanakh (OT) or our Siddurim (prayer books) will audibly substitute Adonai (Lord) or HaShem (the name). It is from this tradition that another tradition developed, which is when translating the text into English, to substitute the word Lord. Indeed, in many translations, LORD is in all caps. If you run into any English translation with LORD in all caps, you can be positive that the Hebrew text is using the divine name.

A related topic is the tradition used by some religious Jews of typing God as G-d with a hyphen. This is simply, once again, a tradition that has developed to show respect for the name of God. In English, God with a capital G functions as a name, and thus also comes under the commandment not to take his name in vain.

What should be pointed out here is that while Christians interpret taking the name in vain as using it to swear, for Jews it means using the name CASUALLY.

jimb · Apr 26, 2024

IndigoChild5559 said:
The yod hey vav hey may be there in the text, but it is not pronounced out loud.

Part of the reason for this is that the correct pronunciation is simply lost in time. Jewish tradition, based on the commandment to not take God's name in vain, had been so concerned with not using the name casually that finally it was pronounced ONLY by the High Priest on Yom Kippur. Well, when the temple was destroyed in 70 CE, obviously that no longer took place. It wasn't long until knowledge of how to correctly pronounce it was forgotten. We know the consonants, but we simply don't know the vowels.

There are guesses by scholars, some better than others. The best known of these guesses are Jehovah and Yahweh. However, in the end, they are still only guesses.

Jews today, when we run across the yod hey vav hey in text, whether it is in the Tanakh (OT) or our Siddurim (prayer books) will audibly substitute Adonai (Lord) or HaShem (the name). It is from this tradition that another tradition developed, which is when translating the text into English, to substitute the word Lord. Indeed, in many translations, LORD is in all caps. If you run into any English translation with LORD in all caps, you can be positive that the Hebrew text is using the divine name.

A related topic is the tradition used by some religious Jews of typing God as G-d with a hyphen. This is simply, once again, a tradition that has developed to show respect for the name of God. In English, God with a capital G functions as a name, and thus also comes under the commandment not to take his name in vain.

What should be pointed out here is that while Christians interpret taking the name in vain as using it to swear, for Jews it means using the name CASUALLY.

I am really glad that I don't follow Judaism! I prefer knowing God to following tradition!

It's okay to write "yod hey vav hey" but not pronounce it? And you wrote "Jehovah, Yahweh, Adonai, Ha Shem, and Lord"!!! That's okay too? Isn't that CASUAL use???

IndigoChild5559 · Apr 26, 2024

jimb said:
I am really glad that I don't follow Judaism! I prefer knowing God to following tradition!

That's fine. There is no need for you to become a Jew. We make no claim to be the one True religion. It's fine for others to worship God in their own way.

jimb said:
It's okay to write "yod hey vav hey" but not pronounce it?

Correct.

I remember how as kids we would spell out "B U T T " but if we said the word, we'd get our mouths washed out with soap. LOL

jimb said:
And you wrote "Jehovah, Yahweh, Adonai, Ha Shem, and Lord"!!! That's okay too? Isn't that CASUAL use???

I prefer not to use approximations of the divine name, but there are times when I do because it is necessary for education. And yes, even when I do so out of necessity, it always makes me uncomfortable.

As to Adonai or Hashem or Lord, these are not the divine name.

If your traditions are different, that's fine.

jimb · Apr 26, 2024

IndigoChild5559 said:
That's fine. There is no need for you to become a Jew. We make no claim to be the one True religion. It's fine for others to worship God in their own way.

Correct.

I remember how as kids we would spell out "B U T T " but if we said the word, we'd get our mouths washed out with soap. LOL

I prefer not to use approximations of the divine name, but there are times when I do because it is necessary for education. And yes, even when I do so out of necessity, it always makes me uncomfortable.

As to Adonai or Hashem or Lord, these are not the divine name.

If your traditions are different, that's fine.

As I said earlier, I am a Jew. The difference between us is that I have accepted Yeshua Ha Masiach (a Jew in His human form) as my Savior. You probably know that every one of Yeshua's disciples were Jews and that the entire Bible, including the New Testament, was written by Jews (with one exception: Luke). All the first believers were Jews, and the headquarters of the first church was in Jerusalem. The most famous of the apostles was Paul (a.k.a. Saul), who wrote "I am [present tense] a Jew born in Tarsus in Cilicia but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, educated strictly according to our ancestral law, being zealous for God, just as all of you are today."

I know how difficult for many Jews to accept Yeshua as the Messiah. You keep hoping for the Messiah to appear (even opening the door during the Seder dinner hoping that His arrival will be announced), but He has appeared, lived for a time on Earth, was crucified, and resurrected to the right hand of God.

IndigoChild5559 · Apr 26, 2024

jimb said:
As I said earlier, I am a Jew.

You are an apostate Jew. You have lost the privilege of speaking for Jews.

IndigoChild5559 · Apr 26, 2024

jimb said:
I know how difficult for many Jews to accept Yeshua as the Messiah.

Yeah, you are right. It is difficult given that
1. Jesus didn't fulfill the prophecies concerning the Messiah and
2. The 2000 year long history of Christians persecuting and killing Jews. It just doesn't come across as "good news" to us.

jimb · Apr 26, 2024

IndigoChild5559 said:
You are an apostate Jew. You have lost the privilege of speaking for Jews.

LOL! I never said that I speak for Jews!

BTW, apostasy is a rebellion or abandonment of faith in God or His Word. Since I haven't done that -- just the opposite -- I am not an apostate.

Again, I am a Jew. The difference between us is that I have accepted Yeshua Ha Masiach (a Jew in His human form) as my Savior. You probably know that every one of Yeshua's disciples were Jews and that the entire Bible, including the New Testament, was written by Jews (with one exception: Luke). All the first believers were Jews, and the headquarters of the first church was in Jerusalem. The most famous of the apostles was Paul (a.k.a. Saul), who wrote "I am [present tense] a Jew born in Tarsus in Cilicia but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, educated strictly according to our ancestral law, being zealous for God, just as all of you are today."

You can define "Jew" in whatever manner you want, but I know who I am.

IndigoChild5559 · Apr 26, 2024

jimb said:
LOL! I never said that I speak for Jews!

Then why do you keep bringing up that you are a Jew, as if it matters to the conversation? Come on. You are now a Christian. That is your community of choice. Stop the pretense.

jimb said:
Again, I am a Jew. The difference between us is that I have accepted Yeshua Ha Masiach

And THAT is a difference that puts an uncrossable chasm between us.

cataway · Apr 26, 2024

jimbob said:
Wrong. Gods name is, "I Am".i am sure you are wrong

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