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id theory in penn high school

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Oh, what a world, what a world. This makes me want to cry. Actually, I guess it's good--I keep slowly rising up in the national intelligence percentile with every state that tries to pull this crap. Pennsylvania = GONE. Georgia = ...heh, heh--never on the map!
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
When Jensa leaves it'll be two! ;)

But seriously, there are some good things and good people live in/come from Ga. Every state has its embarrasing moments. :cool:

wa:do
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Well, the real embarrassment (and crying shame) was that he did not have to STEAL MY STATE this time around. :(
 
Ahhh! So you atheists consider your self "God" and will dictate to all of us that the God Darwin and his scientific religion will be the only "doctrine" taught to students in School? Adaptaion is a reality and a "truth" proven by painstaken research and I for one Christ Follower understand the knowledge of it! I would be a fool not to see the truth of adaptation! We all are adapting to our envoirnment, virus do it , manities do it, lizards caught on an island do it but I don't see where Darwinism is the whole truth and nothing but the truth! To many holes in the theory! Intellegent design is held by many scientists! Einstein is one, Carl Jung, even many of the "Big Bang" theory see that design! There is so much more to how this universe came into being then Darwin or any of his children can imagine let alone try to prove! Most Christians believe that the 6 days where 24 hour periods but not all of us are that naive!
Seraph
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
You're right, Seraph. There's no reason to teach kids anything they don't already want to believe. Not even if the weight of scientific evidence supports it. Better to just call evolution a religion and let the kids off easy. Give them the out of claiming that evolution is just a matter of opinion. That's the (new) American way of doing it! Why teach kids anything that might make them feel bad or make them question their preacher's version of how life came to it's present diversity? Much, much better to say that it's all opinion anyhow.
 
Huh? Ok, I see what you mean! Evolution in it's present state of being seems to explain the origen of the universe and all life here as the ultimate answer!
How can you or any Darwinist be so naive? None of us have all the answers. To teach the kids that Darwinian Evolution is the only reality and "truth" is cheating them out of pondering many different theories and even ancient
legends and yes religions which are really just a means of passing down older theories from past civilizations. I don't think what I said was a cop out and yes I want to water down the "theory" of evolution as an opinion! Many of the teachings of this theory are just that, Opinion based on what I consider very primative research by a people that are very young compared to this universe!
Anyway, who knows what sudent may come up with something totally unknown to us all!
Seraph
 

robtex

Veteran Member
Seraphimfire, Dwarwin spent over 20 years composing the theory. During the intial phases he sailed all over the world collecting species from various places makes notes and observations. His theory is the work of a lifetime of science research. Later scientist have tested it and overwhelminly support based on science research.

Intellingent design and teleology has no such body of research supporting it. No empherical evidence has been able to be confirmed by the science community to support ID as a science theory. Is ID a theory? Yes. Is a science theory? No. With no testing or evidence to support it by science it does not fall into the realm of science and as such does not belong in a science classroom. In a philophy class...sure. in science no.

Don't get me wrong it is a reasonable theory to explore and I myself love reading about it..but to put it into a biology class (the article said a bio class) and presenting it as a science is misrepsenative of the theory at its current state as a theory. I.D. is not a science theory it is more of philosphy theory and would be better suited in that enviroment.
 

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Huh? Ok, I see what you mean! Evolution in it's present state of being seems to explain the origen of the universe and all life here as the ultimate answer!
How can you or any Darwinist be so naive? None of us have all the answers. To teach the kids that Darwinian Evolution is the only reality and "truth" is cheating them out of pondering many different theories and even ancient
legends and yes religions which are really just a means of passing down older theories from past civilizations. I don't think what I said was a cop out and yes I want to water down the "theory" of evolution as an opinion! Many of the teachings of this theory are just that, Opinion based on what I consider very primative research by a people that are very young compared to this universe!
Anyway, who knows what sudent may come up with something totally unknown to us all!
Seraph
While we're at it, why don't we teach them spontaneous generation too? :banghead3
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Darwin only described a mechanism for life to evolve. He never tried to imply any other impetus but God. He was a devout man that was run out of many churches for his "eccentric" beliefs. He never understood the phobias, and frankly, as a devout Christian, niether do I.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
editorial said:
There is little enough time to discuss mainstream evolution in most schools; the Dover students get two 90-minute classes devoted to the subject. Before installing intelligent design in the already jam-packed science curriculum, school boards and citizens need to be aware that it is not a recognized field of science. There is no body of research to support its claims nor even a real plan to conduct such research. In 2002, more than a decade after the movement began, a pioneer of intelligent design lamented that the movement had many sympathizers but few research workers, no biology texts and no sustained curriculum to offer educators. Another leading expositor told a Christian magazine last year that the field had no theory of biological design to guide research, just "a bag of powerful intuitions, and a handful of notions." If evolution is derided as "only a theory," intelligent design needs to be recognized as "not even a theory" or "not yet a theory." It should not be taught or even described as a scientific alternative to one of the crowning theories of modern science.
For once, I find myself in agreement with an editorial writer.
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
Seraph, people who don't want to learn about evolution don't have to. Teaching any creationsim theory is too hard, because why should we teach the Christian one, instead of the Sikhist one? My school is so worried about offending people that they refer to evolution as "Advanced Specialistic Adaptation"! :biglaugh:

If any form of religion is to be taught in school, it should be as a seperate class. Science class is for science, not religion.
 
seraphimfire said:
Evolution in it's present state of being seems to explain the origen of the universe and all life here as the ultimate answer!
No, it doesn't and no one claims it does. It is, however, the only accepted scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth and it well-supported by the evidence.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It gets tiresome posting the same points on so many threads.

ID is not a theory. It's not based on a synthesis of observed facts. It can be summed up in one sentence: "God made the universe, by magic."

Evolution is a theory of mechanism of an established phenomenon. It does not address purpose or intention. It deals only with how, not who or why.
 
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