t3gah
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[All scripture quotes from the World English Bible]
Adam means Man or Mankind
Eve means Woman of Womankind
Elijah, Enoch, Ezekiel, Jesus, Moses. All are "son of man" which includes everyone born from Adam. Jesus came out of Eve. Eve came from Adam.
If no one gets married or is married in the resurrection, then more than the 144,000 are all going to heaven. Jesus said this himself. "They will all be as angels". Jesus don't tell no lies. Just 144,000 will be rulers or something like that and some people will be left on earth after Armageddon. Those that 'walk through the battle'.
Which means that Jesus is not the only one that came from or went to heaven. Which means that the current interpretations that exist from many a bible scholar is wrong if they mean that only Jesus came from and went to heaven. Looks like a few people have. And then went back again.
Mark 9:2 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James, and John, and brought them up onto a high mountain privately by themselves, and he was changed into another form in front of them. 9:3 His clothing became glistening, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them. 9:4 Elijah and Moses appeared to them, and they were talking with Jesus.
9:5 Peter answered Jesus, Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Lets make three tents: one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah. 9:6 For he didnt know what to say, for they were very afraid.
9:7 A cloud came, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, This is my beloved Son. Listen to him.
9:8 Suddenly looking around, they saw no one with them any more, except Jesus only.
In order to be the dead Moses, Moses must be resurrected and then put to death for the passages above, unless he's in heaven and he comes down for the account above. No one actually saw Moses die like when Aaron died. Did God or Jesus bring back Moses from the dead to prove that Jesus was the son of God? Was the whole thing a trick? If Elijah who was not born of Holy Spirit like Jesus was, went to heaven and Moses who was supposedly dead were both talking to Jesus, but Jesus says later in John 3:13 that no one descended or ascended from heaven except the 'son of man', then Moses got taken like Enoch. Taken to heaven. And both Elijah and Moses came down from heaven for the account in Mark 9:4.9:5 Peter answered Jesus, Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Lets make three tents: one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah. 9:6 For he didnt know what to say, for they were very afraid.
9:7 A cloud came, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, This is my beloved Son. Listen to him.
9:8 Suddenly looking around, they saw no one with them any more, except Jesus only.
Deuteronomy 34:1 Moses went up from the plains of Moab to Mount Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. Yahweh showed him all the land of Gilead, to Dan, 34:2 and all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, to the hinder sea, 34:3 and the South, and the Plain of the valley of Jericho the city of palm trees, to Zoar. 34:4 Yahweh said to him, This is the land which I swore to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, I will give it to your seed. I have caused you to see it with your eyes, but you shall not go over there.
34:5 So Moses the servant of Yahweh died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of Yahweh. 34:6 He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab over against Beth Peor: but no man knows of his tomb to this day.
Since Deuteronomy 34:1-5 is written in the thrid person which Luke is not, this account is from someone elses perspective. No one actually knows that he didn't ascend to heaven like Enoch did in Genesis 5:24. Maybe the body was buried, but Moses still ascended to heaven. Why? See Mark 9:4.34:5 So Moses the servant of Yahweh died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of Yahweh. 34:6 He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab over against Beth Peor: but no man knows of his tomb to this day.
2 Kings 2:1 It happened, when Yahweh would take up Elijah by a whirlwind into heaven, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2 Kings 2:11 It happened, as they still went on, and talked, that behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
Elijah appears in Mark 9:4, but Elijah is reported to have ascended to heaven in 2 Kings 2:11. Elijah descends to earth in Mark 9:4, just like Jesus says in John 3:13. Son of man.2 Kings 2:11 It happened, as they still went on, and talked, that behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.
If Elijah is also a "Son of man" and has ascended to heaven, Jesus in John 3:13 is not telling a lie, because all offspring of Adam, the definition of which is "man", are all "son of man".
Adam means Man or Mankind
Eve means Woman of Womankind
Elijah, Enoch, Ezekiel, Jesus, Moses. All are "son of man" which includes everyone born from Adam. Jesus came out of Eve. Eve came from Adam.
Ezekiel 2:1 He said to me, Son of man, stand on your feet, and I will speak with you. 2:2 The Spirit entered into me when he spoke to me, and set me on my feet; and I heard him who spoke to me. 2:3 He said to me, Son of man, I send you to the children of Israel, to nations that are rebellious, which have rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me even to this very day. 2:4 The children are impudent and stiff-hearted: I am sending you to them; and you shall tell them, Thus says the Lord Yahweh. 2:5 They, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house), yet shall know that there has been a prophet among them. 2:6 You, son of man, dont be afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns are with you, and you do dwell among scorpions: dont be afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they are a rebellious house. 2:7 You shall speak my words to them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear; for they are most rebellious. 2:8 But you, son of man, hear what I tell you; dont be rebellious like that rebellious house: open your mouth, and eat that which I give you.
Regular people are all "son of man" then, which means that those in Revelation, the 144,000 who will be priests and judges, are what they are, but the rest of the people are going to heaven. Why? Because the 144,000 in Revelation is a vision, not actuality. It's a depiction of what assignments will be handed out. Jesus even states this in an answer where he replies to those who are asking about a law in the Mosaic Law. Seven brothers and one wife. The law states that the next brother in line gets the wife if the first brother dies. The question they pose is one that says that each die all the way to the last brother and the wife has no children. Their question is: Who gets her in the resurrection? Jesus says some things and his main point is that they don't know the scriptures because everyone will be 'as angels'.
If no one gets married or is married in the resurrection, then more than the 144,000 are all going to heaven. Jesus said this himself. "They will all be as angels". Jesus don't tell no lies. Just 144,000 will be rulers or something like that and some people will be left on earth after Armageddon. Those that 'walk through the battle'.
Which means that Jesus is not the only one that came from or went to heaven. Which means that the current interpretations that exist from many a bible scholar is wrong if they mean that only Jesus came from and went to heaven. Looks like a few people have. And then went back again.