Spirit world?

How do you view the spirit world? How do you think it is set up, how do the spirits work with each other, etc...? Or do you not believe in it at all?

OK, I will destroy my entire reputation with the next few words.

Hi, my name is Pete and I believe in ghosts. I really do!

The first one I ever experienced was in my childhood home. My dog was sleeping peacefully in between two rooms and was physically kicked into the wall. The dog yelped, and ran under the coffee table watching the doorway. For the next two weeks the dog was skittish going through that door, tucking it's tail betwixt it's legs. Later we found that the dog would NOT go into one part of the room.

The last time was 2 or so years ago. I was reloading PCs for a Catholic Church school and it was getting late on a Friday night. As I entered 6b I encountered a spirit. You couldn't see it looking straight at it, but only to one side or the other. It was male and I thought it looked very disheveled and utterly confused. It was trying to see me, and I could see the lips move though I heard nothing. I called my best friend to come down to see, but when I looked again I saw nothing. Dan came and ribbed me mercilessly, and frankly I ascribed it to working too hard!

Monday morning Dan called me to tell me that one of the students from 6b had died Friday night in a boating accident in the Keys. His harrassing comments had turned into some serious questions. I felt a chill as he told me about the student... did I really SEE a ghost? Who knows, I was pretty punchy that night, but it sure was a coincidence!

A very interesting topic Master V. . One that I have been wondering about myself . I can only answer one of your questions at this time though . Yes I do believe in Spirits . What they are , or any other question you ask , I could only give another's opinion on . In other words , I don't have a clue .

I do believe that Reality is subjective though . And so I wonder how much our subjective thought influences the Spiritual ? If a Spirit were to visit me , for excample , could it appear as one being , but if it were to visit another , could it appear as another being , or thing ? Could a Spirit be an Angel for one person , and a Raven for another ? And if so , how much of that is our own mind perceiving it as such ?

I believe that a spirit world exists. For me, it is a place where those that have passed from physical existence wait for the Higher Being to decide if they are ready to enter the highest existence or if they need to return to a physical existence to learn more. I beleive that these spirits use this time to continue to guide or protect us. There is also the unfortunate occasion where these spirits may need our assistance so they may go on with their journey if their physical life was ended before it was supposed to. I also beleive that their appearance can be in forms that each person seeing them can personally connect to and understand. For some they could be angels, while for others they could be a loved one, an animal, or even beings that are believed by some to be mythical or fantasy creatures.

My first experience of seeing a spirit was told to me by my mother. I was 3 years old at the time and it was 3 days after my maternal grandfather's passing. My mother came in to wake me up and I told her that Grandpa had visited me during the night. My mother has never lied to me about things I said or did when I was younger so I have no reason to dispute her story.


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Master Vigil;

I've already spoken onf the 'ghost' I was supposed to have seen when very young, according to my Mom.

My own theory -and I have no proof whatsoever; I don't think I need it- is that spirits are all around us, but in a dimension, or a frequency (Visiual, and audio) that we mere mortal humans can't see or hear!

There is a theory that spirits can 'mess around' with electrics (Which would make sense with my 'frequency' supposition), When My poor Dad died in 1997, we went through a patch of the T.V switching channels for no apparent reason; ligts flickered a few times, our Dog kept on staring at varios places in the room where there was no apparently 'interesting to dogs' things to stare at.

Of course, the cynic would quickly 'rubbish' what I have said, but hey, I'm entitled to my ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vive La Difference!!!
P.S I also use that theory about my Dad when I slop food down myself accidentally; he used to do it. Whenever it happens, I say to my wife "Dads back!" -great excuse!!!
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I don't think of it as a "spirit world". I think of it as the Astral/Etheric plane. Merely another existence that we are reincarnated into, but one that we can visit, along with the otherworld. Visiting the otherworld is, however, very dangerous, and not to be attempted by a novice projecter. Like me.

We all know about ghosts and things, but what about spirits that are not human? For instance, I deal with tree spirits more than any other spirit. Not just ones that are dead, but that are alive. Do you see the spirit of those that are alive to be in the same realm, or connected to the same realm as the dead? Or do you think that the dead have no spirit of their own anymore, and that it changes and becomes a spirit of another thing alive?

I'm not sure I believe in a spirit world so much as a spirit universe. Or more accurately, I believe in a universe where some parts of it are physical, som parts are spiritual, and maybe even some parts are something I wouldn't know how to describe.

I've done a bit of Journey-work, an in my experience, "the spirit world" can be very different from time to time when visiting upon it. As such, I'm not sure that one could map it out with some sort of rational bounds or system of guidelines. In fact, I'm not even sure rationality holds the same sway as it does here in our semi-ordered physical reality.

I agree with your definition Pensive. The spirit world is actually very natural, it just a part of the universe that is not physical. It is true that the "spirit world" is different everytime you visit it. But that is simply because unlike our physical world, the energy in the spirit world changes more often and is more "free flowing." But just as every time we wake up in the morning in the same bed, it is still different. So is the spirit world different, and even more different every time you visit it. Or if you are a kind of person who is always there like me, it is always changing.

What an interesting discussion!

I agree that it's very natural, though I might say it's more real a universe than this one. (Or at least it feels that way when you're there.) The energies of crystals, trees, creature, of the elements themselves reveal themselves to you in ways that you don't always allow yourself to percieve in 'this' world.

This could get interesting ....


Yes , could be May . However , even the Bible speaks about the Spirits of the Dead and other Spirits as well . Of course , it warns agaisnt them ...

Are you JW ? If so , there is a book printed by the WTS called " Babylon the Great " that you may be interested in . It may be out of print now though ??

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This could get interesting ....


Yes , could be May . However , even the Bible speaks about the Spirits of the Dead and other Spirits as well . Of course , it warns agaisnt them ...

Are you JW ? If so , there is a book printed by the WTS called " Babylon the Great " that you may be interested in . It may be out of print now though ??

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Yes, the bible does speak about the wicked spirits , so if they are fooling people to believe they are ghosts of dead people then we can understand why God tells us to have nothing to do with contacting spirit mediums, because God knows it is a lie ,and he does not want us to be decieved. Saying that, as you mentioned (Babylon the great) which acording to my understanding of the bible is the world empire of false religion.Revelation 18;23 tells us that by means of the spiritistic practices of Babylon the great all the nations were misled . The practice of talking with the dead is actually a fraudulent deception that can put people in contact with the demons (angels that became selfish rebels against God)In answer to your question are you a JW i try my best

Yup , that is basically what the book was about . A very interesting book too I might add . I figured that you may enjoy it , if you can find a copy .

As for Spirits , I'm not going to argue with you over what they are . As I said earlier in this thread , I'm not sure just what they are . However , God gave us Free Will . The choice is our if we listen or not , just as it is our choice if we listen to anyone or anything . I like to think that I'm wise enough to know if I'm getting good advice or not . Perhaps not ? But if not , that is another matter .

One of the biggest misconceptions of spirits is that there are "evil" spirits. For instance, my friend had spirits in her house that were horrible. They would throw things at her, they would wrap the shower curtain around her while she was in the shower, they even threw her down the stairs once. She of course thought they were "evil" demons. It took me a while, but I finally figured out that they were just tree spirits. See, she did some reconstruction on her house and had to cut part of a tree down. But when she did, some of the tree spirits accidentally went into her house. But the problem is, they couldn't get out. And of course, they got scared, angry, and aggressive. But that does not make them "evil." That only makes them trying to survive. Take a dog for example. If you back a strange dog into a corner, the dog will bite you. Does that make the dog evil? No of course not, neither does it make spirits evil. The energy in the spirit world comes straight from the Tao, or god if you wish. They follow the tao almost perfectly and in a way that we can never match. But we can understand it. And that is what I teach. By understanding how they work, how they "live" we can learn from their ways and adapt them to our own. And by so doing, able to reduce stress and anxiety considerably. Spirits are pure, there are no "good or evil" spirits. Just as their is no "good or evil" god. They just are. Good and evil are only our perceptions to our surroundings. They only exist within our minds.

" Good and evil are only our perceptions to our surroundings. They only exist within our minds. "

You do realize that many say the same thing about Spirits ? In fact some say that it all is a mental disorder . { not my opinion , just stating other opinions } . In it's article on Dissociated Identity Disorder { Multiple Personality } , Wikipedia states " Some religions may also attribute some illnesses to spirit possession. Those who recover from possession may go on to become shamans. This could be seen as a transition from dysfunctional to functional multiplicity. ... In yet other religions, like voodoo and the orisha religions of Africa, all devotees aim to be possessed by the gods. Multiplicity is not a dysfunction, but a spiritual goal."

So , it all comes down to one's perspective .

Man , can I kill a topic or what ? I was just pointing out that if we start defining eachother too narrowly , then we all end up being insane in one way or another . This is an interesting topic . Lets not let it die .

The spirits in which I deal with are nothing but energy. We all know energy exists, and if you must ask, I am not schizophrenic (i've had MRI's). There are different energy signatures that differentiates the energy of a tree from the energy of a human. But that doesn't make one better than the other, or more evil than the other. I don't believe evil can be found in spiritual form, evil is only a physical and emotional perception. And yes, I see a difference between emotion and spirit.

I didn't mean to imply that anyone was schizophrenic Master V. As I said , just pointing out another view . Besides , speaking for myself here , the term could be used to describe me , I guess ? I do , at times display all of the symptoms . Perhaps not often enough ? Don't know . Don't really care . Hey , as long as I'm happy .

But back to Spirits . I agree that good and evil are concepts more then anything . Don't know if Spirits could be good or evil . I do know that I have felt hostility a few times ... sad really as it was a powerless hostility . More a fear I think .

Sorry Kreeden, didn't mean to imply that you implied such. I was just arguing against your other point of view you pointed out. There is a difference between clinical schizophrenia and any other illness and what shamans or sensitives go through. But I don't want to go on about that.

Spirits, yes, good and evil are solely human concepts. To say a spirit is evil is like saying a tree is evil. Sure, if it falls down on the road causing a carr accident that results in someones death, someone may view that tree as evil. But that is solely the humans perception, the tree itself is not evil or good for that matter. The hostility people feel is either fear, or survival. Sure a spirit can be aggressive, but that still does not make it evil. For most spirits that are aggressive to humans are doing it because we are seen as the enemy. Like if you build a house on sacred ground, like an indian burial ground, sure they will be angry at you because you show total disrespect. But they are not evil, if anything, we are the evil ones. Now don't go thinking I believe in dead people that rise from the dead to haunt people at night like in the horror movies. I'm talking about sacred energy that has been disrespected, and it will return threefold (not to misquote the wiccan rite). Most humans don't know their place, they take without asking, and kill without respect. I'm surprised we've lasted as long as we have.