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What is the Whole Truth About God?

drew22

invisable
Baerly, thanks and I read the lesson.
Here, what Scott and I are talking about is that there are other holy books besides the Bible. Where as my teachings,(that I follow), come from, we are using the Bible as the, 'main', book, for many explaintions is becuase Maitreya is fulfilling the position of, the Seventh Angel, which is in the Bible.
As far as Bahai go, and Bahai agree that their teachings only go so far in the Book of Revelation, where Bahais left off, Maitreya is beginning. That is what is going on.
And of course, just like you, both Scott and I are using scripture to make our points, neither of us are using, 'other books', everything is based on prophecy, and written word from the holy writings of God, ancient, jewish, christian, islam, bahai, ananda marga, the eternal divine path, any really any writing we can find some truth, it is the ying and yang of the universe. Go to www.maitreya.org and click on Christian prophecies fulfilled.
 

Baerly

Active Member
Baerly, thanks and I read the lesson.
Here, what Scott and I are talking about is that there are other holy books besides the Bible. Where as my teachings,(that I follow), come from, we are using the Bible as the, 'main', book, for many explaintions is becuase Maitreya is fulfilling the position of, the Seventh Angel, which is in the Bible.
As far as Bahai go, and Bahai agree that their teachings only go so far in the Book of Revelation, where Bahais left off, Maitreya is beginning. That is what is going on.
And of course, just like you, both Scott and I are using scripture to make our points, neither of us are using, 'other books', everything is based on prophecy, and written word from the holy writings of God, ancient, jewish, christian, islam, bahai, ananda marga, the eternal divine path, any really any writing we can find some truth, it is the ying and yang of the universe. Go to www.maitreya.org and click on Christian prophecies fulfilled.
Thank you for explaining this to me. I find it strange that people can take a little here and a little there from all religions and make truth out of it. I would think this would be an impossibility. Especially when all the diferent religions actually opposed each other,or taught contrary to each other.

We are told to walk by the same rule (Phil.3:16). ANd we are to speak the same thing (1Cor.1:8-10). WE are told to teach no other doctrine (1Tim.1:3).

If we believe what (2Peter 1:3) is telling us, it excludes all other books,religions, prophets,etc.

The bible gives us many other verses which tell us not to add to the bible or subtract from it (Deut.4:2) (1Cor.4:6) (Rev.22:18,19).

All prophecy ceased somewhere around the end of the first century according to (1Cor.13:8-10) (Eph.4;12,13).

The ONLY way the gift of prophecy could be passed on to another person is by the laying on of hands by an apostle (those living in the first century) (Acts 6:6 ; 8:18). After those apostles died, no one could pass on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

(Zech.13:14) also prophecied about the ceasing of the gifts.

Baerly
 

drew22

invisable
So that is the whole truth about God, the Bible? You can put a few quotes up from the bible if you want, saves me from having to look them up to read. Thanks Baerly
 

Baerly

Active Member
So that is the whole truth about God, the Bible? You can put a few quotes up from the bible if you want, saves me from having to look them up to read. Thanks Baerly

Well Drew, there is alot about God which remains a mystery to mankind (Deut.29:29).
29The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.


But that which he has revealed we can know it,understand it,and find it all within the bible (Eph.3:3,4) (1John 2:21) (John 8:32) (Luke 1:4).


John 8:31-32




31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Luke 1:4



4That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

1 John 2:21



21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, butbecause ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.




Ephesians 3:3-4



3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; as I wrote afore in few words, 4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ.

Baerly
 

Baerly

Active Member
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Please notice that Paul NEVER HEARD JESUS speak. Paul was in Greece when Jesus lived and taught, and most of the Apostles did not consider Paul to be among their numkber. In fact it was a disagreement with James that led to Paul's death at the hands of the Romans.

So, Paul has absolutely no authority whatsoever to tell us what Jesus said or did not say.

If you choose to give him that authority, that's your choice and yours alone.

Regards,
Scott

Hi again,

The Lord (Jesus) spoke to Saul (or Paul) on the road to Damascus in (Acts 9:4-9). The Lord told Paul (or Saul) where to go and what to do to be saved. Paul followed the commandments of the Lord in (Acts 22:16). He had his sins washed away in water baptism. Just as the Ethiopian eunich did in (Acts 8:38). Also those in (Acts 2:36-47).

The apostle Paul said the things I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord (1Cor.14:37). Sound like he had authority to me.

Baerly
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Hi again,

The Lord (Jesus) spoke to Saul (or Paul) on the road to Damascus in (Acts 9:4-9). The Lord told Paul (or Saul) where to go and what to do to be saved. Paul followed the commandments of the Lord in (Acts 22:16). He had his sins washed away in water baptism. Just as the Ethiopian eunich did in (Acts 8:38). Also those in (Acts 2:36-47).

The apostle Paul said the things I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord (1Cor.14:37). Sound like he had authority to me.

Baerly

He says so.

Now please understand that I believe Paul gives good guidance and is a worthy Disciple of Christ, BUT I would point out that Jim Jones claimed the same and he orddered the deaths of his followers men and women and children. David Koresh claimed the same, and death was the result.

Whenever Paul's claims run counter to good sense or to the words of the other Apostles or counter to the words of Christ I disbelieve Paul.

As to the quality of the claim, the only proof of the visio0n of Paul on the Road to Damascus is Paul himself. I don't doubt something happened, but it was a transforming vision that does not mean that Christ appeared anywhere else than a guilty conscience.

Regards,
Scott
 

Baerly

Active Member
He says so.

Now please understand that I believe Paul gives good guidance and is a worthy Disciple of Christ, BUT I would point out that Jim Jones claimed the same and he orddered the deaths of his followers men and women and children. David Koresh claimed the same, and death was the result.

Whenever Paul's claims run counter to good sense or to the words of the other Apostles or counter to the words of Christ I disbelieve Paul.

As to the quality of the claim, the only proof of the visio0n of Paul on the Road to Damascus is Paul himself. I don't doubt something happened, but it was a transforming vision that does not mean that Christ appeared anywhere else than a guilty conscience.

Regards,
Scott

*No, the inspired word of God said so according to (2Tim.3:16).


16.All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:




*Neither Jim Jones nor David Koresh could do miracles, the apostle Paul could and they were called demonstrations of the spirit and power KJV (1Cor.2;4) (2Cor.12:12).


4.And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
2 Corinthians 12:12


12.Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.


*Those miracles confirmed that Paul was sent by God himself according to (Mark 16:20) (Heb.2:3,4).


20.And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Hebrews 2:3-4



3.How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?



*Please, do tell me where Paul spoke contrary to the words of Christ or any of the apostles. Because he (Paul) told everyone to speak the same thing (1Cor.1;8-10).



8.Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9.God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10.Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Philippians 3:16


16.Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.


*Surely, if he was sent from God he would not have said one thing and done another.

*The inspired word of God says that Saul (Paul) had a meeting with the Lord (2Tim.3:16) (John 17:17).


16.All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
John 17:17


17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.



Baerly
 

drew22

invisable
Yes, well God revealed His teachings in Christ, so we know the teachings of Christ. The teachings of Christ is the Truth and will lead to salvation. Yes, Christ said you can be his disciple, and you will be his disciple if you follow his teachings. If you know the truth, that will set you free; if you know the messiah, you will be free becuase you know the Truth. When you find the Grace, or feel the Grace, and that is what Christ brought was the Grace, with this, that you have taken in your heart that Christ is the messiah, you can feel the Grace, this will help you become certain that you are on the right path. The Truth is, 'be still and know that I am God', this means to still the mind so that you can listen to God, because we all have that within us, the Truth, or as we can say: there is a little buddah in us all. All you have to do is get your mantra and repeat it in your head until your ego gets tired of you and a great calm will come to the mind. It is the same as the reflection of the moon on a lake. If the lake is turbulent with waves you cannot see the reflection of the moon on the water, just calm the lake and, lo, there is the moon. This is the same being with God. Anything evil is merely us thinking we are separate from God, no one is separate from God, everything is one, as God is everything. So, just calm the mind to listen to God; you can`t listen to God if you have your ego in the way. We all have the ability to become divine, that is what we are born to do. I didn`t read anything on your post that says that Buddah wasn`t the Truth also.
thanks Drew,
and thanks for putting in the quotes
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Baerlon:
"16.All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

I would point out that what is considered "scripture" in the New Testament was not decided upon by the Revelation of God but rather the convocation of Bishops at Nicaea.

As to David Koresh, he was writing his scripture at the time of the fire in Waco. I doubt it was really from God.

Also the quote says it is profitable for many things. It does not say literal truth is one of them.

As to miracles, they are not worth much to anyone but those who witness them, nor were they intended to be worth much to those who did not witness them. They are subject to all kinds of error transmitted through the generations.

Welch, an agronomist who worked largely with Concord grapes developed grape juice that would not ferment so quickly because he was convinced that Jesus would never turn water to alcoholic wine. He considered that proof of both Jesus distaste for alcohol and the miracle in general, but he was only arguing in a circle from the conclusion (masquerading as the assumption).

Miracles cannot be proven or they would not be miracles. That Paul is said to have performed miracles is simply hearsay.

I have said I have nothing but respect for Pauol, but that respect is based on who Paul was, not what Paul was elevated to by the Epistles of Timothy.

Regards,
Scott
 

Baerly

Active Member
Yes, well God revealed His teachings in Christ, so we know the teachings of Christ. The teachings of Christ is the Truth and will lead to salvation. Yes, Christ said you can be his disciple, and you will be his disciple if you follow his teachings. If you know the truth, that will set you free; if you know the messiah, you will be free becuase you know the Truth. When you find the Grace, or feel the Grace, and that is what Christ brought was the Grace, with this, that you have taken in your heart that Christ is the messiah, you can feel the Grace, this will help you become certain that you are on the right path. The Truth is, 'be still and know that I am God', this means to still the mind so that you can listen to God, because we all have that within us, the Truth, or as we can say: there is a little buddah in us all. All you have to do is get your mantra and repeat it in your head until your ego gets tired of you and a great calm will come to the mind. It is the same as the reflection of the moon on a lake. If the lake is turbulent with waves you cannot see the reflection of the moon on the water, just calm the lake and, lo, there is the moon. This is the same being with God. Anything evil is merely us thinking we are separate from God, no one is separate from God, everything is one, as God is everything. So, just calm the mind to listen to God; you can`t listen to God if you have your ego in the way. We all have the ability to become divine, that is what we are born to do. I didn`t read anything on your post that says that Buddah wasn`t the Truth also.
thanks Drew,
and thanks for putting in the quotes

Drew, I can tell you have been studying the bible. You have spoken well about Jesus and truth which is found in the bible (John 17:17).

You are to be commended for being diligent.

I am concerned about the statemnet you made that no one is separate from God.

The bible teaches that when a person sins (1John 3:4), that sin separates him from God according to (Isa.59:1,2).

1 Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save,
nor his ear too dull to hear. 2 But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.

Also note (1Peter 3:12) (Rom.11:22) (John 9:31) (Acts 10:34,35) (Heb.5:8,9).

God can have no part with sinners according to (Isa.59:1,2). One must first take care of the sin problem before he can have fellowship with the Lord.

The sin problem was preached about in (Acts 2:36-47). Those who murdered Jesus sinned when they committed such an act (Rom. 3:23 ; 6:23). Sin separates people from God. Peter told those who killed Jesus what to do about the sin problem in (Acts 2:36-47). They had to repent of their sins, and be baptized in water for the remission of sins,and they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

3000 people gladly received the word of God and were baptized that day (Acts 2:41). They then continued stedfastly in the apostles doctrine (42). The Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved (47).

They then were to continue learning and living out the word of God in their lives (2Peter 3:18). Remain faithful till death (1Cor.15:58) (Rev.2:10).

Here is an example of HOW people are to be baptized according to the bible (Acts 8:38,39). They both went down INTO the water and they came up out of the water. No sprinkling here. The Ethiopian eunich was rejoicing after his baptism because he knew he was a part of the Lords church at that point. He knew that the Lord was going to come back for his church (the people) one day and take them to heaven (Eph.5:23-32). That is a good reason to rejoice.

I pray you will continue looking into the bible for truth, because it is truth that makes man free from sin (and Satan) (Rom.6:16-18) (John 8:31,32).

As far as Budda is concerned, I don't think Budda dealt with how one can be reconciled to God so he can be saved. Budda taught much on suffering and how to deal with it.

in love Baerly
 

Baerly

Active Member
Popeye writes - I would point out that what is considered "scripture" in the New Testament was not decided upon by the Revelation of God but rather the convocation of Bishops at Nicaea.

Baerly writes - Hi again Popeye,How are you? I hope all is well.

The bible scriptures which were wrote by the apostles in the first century were confirmed by miracles (Mark 16:20) (Heb.2:3,4) (1Cor.2:4) (2Cor.12:12).

It was these miracles which authorized the letters the apostles wrote. People in the first century knew which letters were supposed to be put in the bible by the demonstration of the spirit (Miracles) (1Cor.2:4) (Mark 16:20).

What better way to tell who is speaking truth than to see them do a miracle as they were delivering a message. That is exactly what happened in the first century.

Those letters were authoritative long before the Catholich Church or anyone else tried to put them together in a book.

Baerly


 

drew22

invisable
http://www.maitreya.org/FILES/Calling Elects/2007/04_07_2007_maitreya_calling_elec.htm
“Of course, the human mind accepts that as, only Christ is One with God, and you cannot be a part of God if you do not accept that indeed you have the same consciousness as Christ and you can progress, you can overcome, you can get rid of all the dogmas and misunderstandings, your egos, and eventually one day say, 'The Father and I are One'.”



"To walk with God is not just to praise Him, have many ceremonies, or talk about Him, but to establish justice, to help the oppressed, and stand for truth." Maitreya

GLOSSARY WORD OF THE MONTH

PURE CONSCIOUSNESS:

(Christhood, Christ-Consciousness, Being Divine, State Of Enlightenment): the state in which the power of the three gunas over the consciousness is overcome, and the consciousness in its pure form (pure intuition) beyond the mind (ego) is realized. Then the oneness with God (universe) is complete, and there would be no Maya left.
 

Baerly

Active Member
Popeye writes - Also the quote says it is profitable for many things. It does not say literal truth is one of them.

Baerly writers - Please notice the words In bold below;

2 Timothy 3:14-17 (King James Version)



14.But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15.And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16.All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17.That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


If we continue the thought from verse 14-17 we learn that the thing the person was learning was the Holy Spriptures (or truth). And those Holy Scriptures were able to make this person wise unto salvation. Then it goes on to establish that all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Now, let me say that if truth sanctifies, cleanses and saves (and it does) according to (John 17:17) (John 8:31,32) . It (truth) fits the bill in the above verses of (2Tim.3:14-17).

Notice what (1Tim.2:4) says:

1 Timothy 2:4 (King James Version)


4.Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

It was truth (or the Holy Scriptures) that the person in (2Tim.3:14-17) had to learn to make him wise unto salvation.

It was those same scriptures (or truth) which are inspired of God, profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.


So truth is equal to the Holy Sriptures.

So yes, these scriptures are speaking of literal truth (John 14:6). Jesus said I am THE TRUTH (John 14:6).

That truth being the very words of Jesus (John 17:17).

The bible tells us not to add or subtract from the words of Jesus (N.T Law)(Deut.4:2) (Rev.22:18,19) (1Cor.4:6) .

in love Baerly
 

Okieshowedem

New Member
Did you know that the Hebrew Name of the Creator is Yahweh?
Did you know that His Name was removed by the translators over 6823 times?
Did you know that the whole world is deceived by the God of this world with all the religions?


Okieshowedem
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Did you know that the Hebrew Name of the Creator is Yahweh?
Did you know that His Name was removed by the translators over 6823 times?
Did you know that the whole world is deceived by the God of this world with all the religions?


Okieshowedem

There are several different names for God in Hebrew, the most common in the TaNakh is Elohim.

Okie? Whereabouts? I'm in OKC.

Regards,
Scott
 

drew22

invisable
The real name of God cannot be pronounced in this world, it is know as the Word. "in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God". God is formless, invisible, and nameless. So all these names of God are just for this manifest world. If you ever wish to find the Name of God, which cannot be heard in this world you can start by going to www.maitreya.org
 

Baerly

Active Member
OK Drew, I went and read quite abit on the websit you ask me too. I have many concerns. I would like to ask you about this tribulation this website is continually speaking about.
Is it found within the bible? If so WHERE?

And are you sure it is refering to us in our day and time?

Just wondering

Baerly
 

drew22

invisable
The explaination that you are asking can be found in detail in, Revelation of a Revelation, in THOTH at the website.
Maitreya is explaining Revelation as he relates it to the Greatest Sign, ie, each religion is represented by a symbol on the Greatest Sign, and each religion is a seal of the Seven Seals, and Maitreya is the Seventh Angel. So time periods and the time of the Tribulation or End Times, which I think you are refering, I think you want to know, when is the tribulation, that , Maitreya is using the time of Six Seal, represented by Ananda Marga, is in 1945; however tribulation has another meaning, then I believe you want to know when for example the world will burn up,,, that is not going to happen, well I don`t think it will be like that, the time when one third of the people will perish is still to come, because the Book of the Seven Seals is now opened for all to see.
thanks Baerly, I ran out of time tonite, I can get back later.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Who is God? We all agree God is the Creator; everyone on the planet knows about or has heard about God. Who has not heard about God?--- no one!
- Every newborn child knows nothing of the God myth, they must be taught it.

So God is the creator and if you think about it, God, also is everything. At the standpoint of --- God is everything---, God created all those religions I just mentioned.
- Aren't there some religions that would have you believe that Satan created all these 'false' religions in order to confuse us?

Why did God do that!, create religions? apparently man created them, if you ask. But how could a human create all this wisdom of each of the religions, isn`t that a bit too much for beings who are about to blow the planet up!!
- The creation of the God myth and religion can be looked at as a human survival mechanism

. . . there can be only one truth, that is, truth is truth, you cannot have two or three truths, there can only be one, from the Truth standpoint, and that Truth is :God is everything.
- I couldn't agree with you more . . . one truth

I will go and read the website you have recommended

Peace,
EM
 
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