prove me wrong on evolution

Ryan2065 · May 26, 2007

Alan Young said:
If you want to learn more about our environment check the internet

I suggest you do the same...

Alan Young said:
if you think that trees are bad for our environment

This is not what I'm saying... Everyone says trees are good for the environment... Your point is to cover the earth in trees... This is not what people mean when they say trees are good.

Would you agree drinking water is good for the human body? I don't think many people would say otherwise. But if you drink too much water, you will die from water poisoning.

Alan Young said:
evolutionary process in the desert

The evolutionary process is not a bad thing, but this isn't what is going to happen. It takes a very very long time for things to evolve... Unless you believe we are going to do this over thousands of years animals will NOT have time to evolve and therefore the animals who are not suited to live in the rain forests will die.

Alan Young said:
Trees = no good ? more life = no good ? Cooler atmospheres = no good ? Sea levels balanced = no good ? why ? you tell me

These things are good... But too much of a good thing = no good.

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

More life that spreads with the forest will produce more food for all to enjoy and this will balance the oxygen in the atmosphere the atmosphere will be cooler and the nights will be warmer and the desert animals that have adapted to living in the desert will find it relatively easy to live in the forest this act of good creation on natures part with a little push in the right direction from us humans will not amount any bad thing..

Ryan2065 · May 26, 2007

Alan Young said:
More life that spreads with the forest will produce more food for all to enjoy and this will balance the oxygen in the atmosphere the atmosphere will be cooler and the nights will be warmer and the desert animals that have adapted to living in the desert will find it relatively easy to live in the forest this act of good creation on natures part with a little push in the right direction from us humans will not amount any bad thing..

Things wrong with your argument:
1) Nitrogen and oxygen make up the atmosphere. If you increase the oxygen you need to increase the nitrogen some way.
2) Evolution takes thousands of years to give results. Creatures that live in the desert will not be able to realistically live in the rain forest.
3) Rain forests cover 6% of the earth right now. It would need more than one little push from humans to make more rain forests.

Jayhawker Soule · May 26, 2007

Ryan2065 said:
Things wrong with your argument:
1) Nitrogen and oxygen make up the atmosphere. If you increase the oxygen you need to increase the nitrogen some way.
2) Evolution takes thousands of years to give results. Creatures that live in the desert will not be able to realistically live in the rain forest.
3) Rain forests cover 6% of the earth right now. It would need more than one little push from humans to make more rain forests.

You were far too kind!

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

1\. Well if you increase the levels of CO2 it can cause problems but we the humans have done that in name of money and profit...

2\. Give me three types of animal that live in the desert that couldn't live in the forest with evidence to back it up..

3\ 25% of the earth is land so have you took that into account with your calculation is it 6% of the land mass or 6% of planet mass?

And i am sure if the evironment can handle humans to cutting down massive amounts of trees then a sure that it handle growing them...

gmelrod · May 26, 2007

Deserts foxes, like the bat-eared and fennec fox of Africa, also burrow into the ground. These burrows have several chambers that are lined with vegetation. A whole fox family can live in these chambers.

http://library.thinkquest.org/C0113340/main.php?section=biomes&topic=desert&subtopic=animals

In the wet rainforest these burrows would fill up with water. The foxes would then have to raise their young on the forest floor, mkaing them an easy target for predators

In Death Valley National Monument, located in Nevada, a few hundred Devil's Hole pupfish live above a limestone shelf in a spring hole. This spring hole is only 30 square yards (25 square meters) in area. All the pupfish members breed and carry out their whole life in this tiny spring hole. This is the closest known range any vertebrate has ever lived in.

Would you put these fish in the rivers of the new rainforest? So they can get eaten by the predators they have no defence against.

Probably the best adapted animal in the desert is the addax, which is a close relative to the oryx. It does not need to drink because it receives enough water to survive from the plants it eats.

In the rainforest the addax will either eat so many water rich suculent plants that it will die of water poisoning or it will not be thirsty, not eat and starve. Also the wet humid air will be a breeding ground for the funguses that the animal has no defences against. It will die.

Lastly none of the plants native to the desert can survive in the rainforest. There is simply too much water. PLants die is they are in too wet an environment.

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

Well we can't rap every animal in cotton wool even though it would be a nice thought...

All I can say it works in the rain forest way not anywhere else? you tell me

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

I am also sure that the animals will move to a nearby desert when there is food of plenty nearby..

Ryan2065 · May 26, 2007

Alan Young said:
1\. Well if you increase the levels of CO2 it can cause problems but we the humans have done that in name of money and profit...

The current percentage of CO2 in the earths atmosphere is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Carbon_dioxide_in_the_Earth.27s_atmosphere

As of January 2007, the earth's atmospheric CO2 concentration is about 0.0383% by volume (383 ppmv) or 0.0582% by weight.

What we did was we raised the % of CO2 in the atmosphere to at most .06% and it caused lots of problems. You don't see a problem with raising the % of Oxygen from 20% to around 71% (if we made 60% of the earths land rain forests) would be a good thing?

Alan Young said:
2\. Give me three types of animal that live in the desert that couldn't live in the forest with evidence to back it up..

How about any lizards that require high temperatures and low humidity to live? Bearded dragons come to mind off the top of my head... As far as I know there are no studies around where scientists took desert animals and put them in the rain forest to see how long they could live.

Alan Young said:
3\ 25% of the earth is land so have you took that into account with your calculation is it 6% of the land mass or 6% of planet mass?

http://www.ijms-wildlife.co.uk/forest.html

Rainforests cover 2% of the Earth's surface, or 6% of its land mass, yet they house over half the plant and animal species on Earth. They originally covered at least twice that area.

Someday I hope you will do some research...

Alan Young said:
All I can say it works in the rain forest way not anywhere else? you tell me

Because "anywhere else" is different than the rain forest.

Ryan2065 · May 26, 2007

Alan Young said:
I am also sure that the animals will move to a nearby desert when there is food of plenty nearby..

Now you just aren't making sense... So we would still have deserts?

This ideal world of yours... What percent of the land do rain forests cover?

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

So how have you come to the conclusion that it would raise from 20% to 71% if there is extra life in these forests consuming the oxygen as the plant life grows. We will make a special wild life reserve for the lizards that can't handle low temperatures and other animal to; like a desert Noah’s ark holding them to give them chance to evolve into our garden of eden is that good enough [FONT=&quot][/FONT]

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

Oh I think the extra nitrogen that you’re looking for would be produced slowly as the fertile soils are begging created from the microbes turning the waste from one type nitrate to another not total clear on that fact though maybe you guys can look it up..

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

Remember natures scales are big they balance things very well

Ryan2065 · May 26, 2007

Alan Young said:
So how have you come to the conclusion that it would raise from 20% to 71% if there is extra life in these forests consuming the oxygen as the plant life grows.

So do rain forests currently use up all the oxygen they produce? You need to give some evidence that this will happen (say get some stats that show the rainforest uses most of the oxygen it produces)

Alan Young said:
We will make a special wild life reserve for the lizards that can't handle low temperatures and other animal to; like a desert Noah’s ark holding them to give them chance to evolve into our garden of eden is that good enough

So the increase in rain forests are going to change the temperature in a very predictable pattern so we would know where the deserts are going to shift to? Great to know!

Alan Young said:
Remember natures scales are big they balance things very well

Then why is such a small change in the atmosphere (less than 1%) causing global warming?

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

[SIZE=+1]In the nitrogen (N) cycle, organic nitrogen exists in materials formed from animal, human, and plant activities that produce manures, sewage waste, compost, and decomposing roots or leaves. These organic products transform into organic soil material called humus. Inorganic nitrogen comes from minerals, and is added to soil from precipitation, or as fertilizers. Adding N to the soil is done to help living plants grow and remain healthy. However, plants cannot use organic forms of nitrogen so certain microbes living in the soil come to the rescue and convert organic forms of N into inorganic forms that plants can then use. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]There are different forms of inorganic nitrogen that are available to plants.Some of these can be stored in the soil (such as ammonium, NH4+). Other forms of nitrogen that are not held by the soil particles (such as nitrate NO3-, and nitrite NO2-) can leach out of the soil and into the groundwater, or can be transformed into nitrogen gases (N2, NO, or N2O) and ammonia gas (NH3), escape out of the soil (volatilize), and into the Earth's atmosphere.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Luckily there are other kinds of microbes that live in the soil, and close to Earth's surface, that can convert Nitrogen gas into inorganic forms of N that plants can then use. When plants die they contribute organic N to the soil and certain microbes, yet again, do their job of converting organic N into inorganic N that living plants can use! Below, see an illustration of the N cycle, how N changes when it is in soil, water and air, and find out what those interesting nitrogen cycle terms mean![/SIZE]

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

Have a look at the link on my web page and see for your self on the links section

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

Ryan2065 · May 26, 2007

I might have missed it... But in any of these last 3 posts did you show how you are going to increase Nitrogen into the atmosphere at the same rate as the oxygen?

Alan Young · May 26, 2007

I don't have to worry about that nature will take care of that for me as god system is designed for life to thrive and expand to the maximum... As the forest grows nitrogen is being slowly released at a rate to balance everything plus the animals will increase in number to.. Gods system is good don’t you think

(Soil expansion forest expansion nitrogen expansion) Oxygen balance / Life increase eden is only round the corner

Ryan2065 · May 27, 2007

Alan Young said:
I don't have to worry about that nature will take care of that for me as god system is designed for life to thrive and expand to the maximum... As the forest grows nitrogen is being slowly released at a rate to balance everything plus the animals will increase in number to.. Gods system is good don’t you think

So your answer, after all of this, is "God will do it"?

So why hasn't God helped us out yet to create Eden? Why hasn't God helped us with the global warming we created? Why will he magically help us when we take what He created and shape it to better suit ourselves rather than keep it the way He made it?

So your plan only works if
1) God exists
2) God wants us to do this and will miraculously help us.

If not, we all die. Good to know it is a solid plan though!

Alan Young said:
(Soil expansion forest expansion nitrogen expansion) Oxygen balance / Life increase eden is only round the corner

And a little miracle from God right?

And this is all assuming changing the amount of gases in our atmosphere won't cause any adverse problems with our climate...

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