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may

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comprehend said:
ok. when?



if that is true then you just proved that a day can be a year and a week can be a year. That means that anything could be a year and messes up your whole original premise that a day = a year.
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its great how it always works out right on time ,
The weeks are weeks of years. That each week is seven years long is suggested by a number of modern translations. For example, "seventy weeks of years" is a rendering indicated by a footnote on Daniel 9:24 in Tanakh—The Holy Scriptures, published by The Jewish Publication Society. An American Translation reads: "Seventy weeks of years are destined for your people and for your holy city." Similar renderings appear in the translations by Moffatt and Rotherham...................... but getting back to this other prophecy about Jesus kingship in the heavenly kingdom goverment,
Bible foretold period of "seven times,"
after which God would give world
rulership to the one he chose​
(Daniel 4:3-17)
"Seven times" = 2,520 years
Beginning of "seven times": 607 B.C.E
End of "seven times": 1914 C.E.
Jesus Christ was then enthroned
in heaven, began to rule amid
his enemies (Psalm 110:1, 2)
Satan was ousted from heaven;
woe to mankind (Revelation 12:7-12)​
Last days began (2 Timothy 3:1-5)
 
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may

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comprehend said:
um. you didn't really answer the question. The scripture says that he will come in like manner. meaning he will come back the SAME WAY. Not invisibly, he will come down from heaven just like he went up.

Anyone around would have seen it. surely you aren't suggesting Jesus is invisible to anyone except those who were standing there are you? The scripture certainly doesn't say "ye men of Galilee and a few JW's in 1914" are going to see Him.

The scripture says that He will come back the exact same way He left. You say he isn't coming back at all. That sounds like a BIG difference to me.
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When Jesus ascended into heaven, according to the record, "a cloud caught him up from their vision." (Ac 1:9) The disciples did not see Jesus riding away on a cloud, but rather, the cloud obscured their vision of him. This helps us to understand Jesus’ words concerning his presence: "They will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory," and Revelation’s statement: "He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him." (Lu 21:27; Mt 24:30; Re 1:7) In past cases clouds represented invisible presence; but observers could "see" the meaning with their mental "eyes." In this case the physical occurrences that are visible would cause the one looking to "see" or realize that Christ is invisibly present.—See also Mt 24; Mr 13; Re 14:14.
 
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sojourner said:
The angel said, "YOU," because he was speaking to the people to whom he was speaking -- not to all of humanity. It's a convention of language to only speak to whom you are speaking, and to address them as "you."

Are you trying to say that all humanity should have been crowded on the mountain for that event? Or that they had to be physically present in order for the event to have any impact upon them, or meaning for them?

However, in keeping with your vein of "logic," the "YOU" being the ones who actually witnessed the event, and who were being personally addressed by the angel, does not include any who did not personally witness the event and were not being personally addressed by the angel. In other words...any of today's JW's.
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yes, that is right he was speaking to Jesus followers , not to all of humanity . and it was Jesus followers who discerned that Jesus had come into his kingdom power in 1914 , he was present in kingdom power. but the world in general did not discern it . and as it says ............... in like manner .................... it was his followers back then that saw him go but he then became obscured from view by clouds, invisible . and in this time , it was only his followers on the earth who dicerned the time from the bible that he would come into kingdom power, but it was invisible to human eyes , it was with the eyes of discernment .
 
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XAAX said:
Ok, here I go again but oh well, I think it has merit. You are the type of people that truly turn me into someone who is completely intolerable. You don’t have a point unless you quote something from the Christian bible or your pamphlet. Really, if you have something valid to say versus spouting off a bunch of crap that I and a lot of another have already read. We get it, you can read and use a table of contents. Sorry to be rude but I have read like 30 posts from you and have yet to hear one point that is your own. It is ok to think for yourself. Well, I know little of Jehovah Witnesses other than they wear silly matching outfits and come to my door to annoy me by peddling there drivel at my doorstep. Its like door to door salesmen getting their quota for the afterlife. Does posting all the scripture quotes get you brownie points? If not, what is the draw for you?:slap:
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love for God and love for people
while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house. Acts 20;20
And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.Acts 5;42
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 soon the end of manmade goverments , then Gods heavenly kingdom goverment can take over Daniel 2;44
 
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(Romans 10:18) Nevertheless I ask, They did not fail to hear, did they? Why, in fact, "into all the earth their sound went out, and to the extremities of the inhabited earth their utterances."
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, .............its all happening in this time of the end...............GOODNEWS indeed DANIEL 2;44
 
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Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. . . . It will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him." (Ezekiel 21:26, 27) The one who has "the legal right" to the Davidic crown is Christ Jesus. (Luke 1:32, 33) and his father Jehovah has given it to him Daniel 7;13-14 ............. have you welcomed this NOW reigning king ,or have you allowed false religious leaders to take the focus away from the NOW REIGNING KING ?. bible prophecy and chronology are now well along , and very soon Jesus will go into action .
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 Jesus is NOW a reigning king , and Gods kingdom is now well established bible prophecies ALWAYS COMES TRUE .
And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; DANIEL 2;44...................this is the GOODNEWS , are you willing to welcome the one who has the legal right , or have you been misled to REJECT this reigning king .false religious leaders who CLAIM to represent the God of the bible , but instead reject the one with the legal right , and reject fullfilled bible prophecy are not the ones to follow , because they put their trust in manmade kingdoms and it will only lead to destruction.
Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,​

Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.psalm 146;3
(Psalm 118:9) It is better to take refuge in Jehovah Than to trust in nobles.
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.
Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered. 2 peter 3;9 what a loving God to be so PATIENT, he desires all to attain repentence,.............. that is what i have done, i have turned around and now i am welcoming Gods NOW reigning king. and it is VERY GOODNEWS .PEACE will only come to this earth because Jehovah has everything in hand .:bow: he is the most high psalm 83;18 . and it is his son that has been given great aurthority.it is the only way to peace ISAIAH 9;6-7
 
MaddLlama

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
May, I'd like to point out for you, in case you skipped that part, that one of the rules of this forum is that you're not allowed to attempt to convert people to your religion. So, if that's your only purpose here, then I think you're going to have a hard time participating without breaking the rules.
 
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Aupmanyav said:
You sound so much like the the Qur'an quoting muslims, whatever the context be.
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there is a GREAT CROWD that are welcoming Jesus as king of Gods kingdom, and all of the praise for that goes to the most high Jehovah God.:bow:
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."
revelation 7;9-10 ................ there is no salvation in any one else but Jehovah God and his son Jesus christ . i have put my vote in .
 
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MaddLlama said:
May, I'd like to point out for you, in case you skipped that part, that one of the rules of this forum is that you're not allowed to attempt to convert people to your religion. So, if that's your only purpose here, then I think you're going to have a hard time participating without breaking the rules.
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this thread is about the goodnews that Jesus is a reigning king ,i am just bringing it to the fore , rather than keeping it to myself. i am not trying to convert people , i am just bringing the goodnews to the fore . because it is a fact that the religious leaders of christendom have rejected Jesus kingship , and as this site is for discussing religious things what better place could there be . maybe i should start a thread in the biblical debates , because after all the GOODNEWS is about fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology. and it is all happening in the times we are living in . thrilling times indeed . but make no mistake about it , the religious leaders of christendom do not want the GOODNEWS to be made known . because they have rejected Jesus kingship . i think that is not a good thing to be doing , especially when they CLAIM to be worshiping the God of the bible . but it seems to me that they are not doing the right things at all . in fact they do just the opposite of what they should be doing . no wonder they are in spiritual darkness , REJECTING JESUS will never lead to enlightenment , only gloomy darkness .
 
MaddLlama

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
may said:
this thread is about the goodnews that Jesus is a reigning king ,i am just bringing it to the fore , rather than keeping it to myself. i am not trying to convert people , i am just bringing the goodnews to the fore . because it is a fact that the religious leaders of christendom have rejected Jesus kingship , and as this site is for discussing religious things what better place could there be . maybe i should start a thread in the biblical debates , because after all the GOODNEWS is about fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology. and it is all happening in the times we are living in . thrilling times indeed . but make no mistake about it , the religious leaders of christendom do not want the GOODNEWS to be made known . because they have rejected Jesus kingship . i think that is not a good thing to be doing , especially when they CLAIM to be worshiping the God of the bible . but it seems to me that they are not doing the right things at all . in fact they do just the opposite of what they should be doing . no wonder they are in spiritual darkness , REJECTING JESUS will never lead to enlightenment , only gloomy darkness .
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Oh, I see. You thought you were the first JW here, so you thought you'd enlighten us all.

To you it may be "goodnews" but to the rest of us it's old news.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
may said:
this thread is about the goodnews that Jesus is a reigning king ,i am just bringing it to the fore , rather than keeping it to myself. i am not trying to convert people , i am just bringing the goodnews to the fore . because it is a fact that the religious leaders of christendom have rejected Jesus kingship , and as this site is for discussing religious things what better place could there be . maybe i should start a thread in the biblical debates , because after all the GOODNEWS is about fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology. and it is all happening in the times we are living in . thrilling times indeed . but make no mistake about it , the religious leaders of christendom do not want the GOODNEWS to be made known . because they have rejected Jesus kingship . i think that is not a good thing to be doing , especially when they CLAIM to be worshiping the God of the bible . but it seems to me that they are not doing the right things at all . in fact they do just the opposite of what they should be doing . no wonder they are in spiritual darkness , REJECTING JESUS will never lead to enlightenment , only gloomy darkness .
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Ask the Orthodox about Christ the Pantokrator. Ask the Anglicans about their celebration of Christ the king (always the last Sunday of the liturgical year). You cannot back up your "fact." I suppose we don't sing hymns entitled, "Praise My Soul the King of Heaven," or, "Ride on, O King Eternal." In what way does the Church that has taken the Name of Christ, worships Christ, and whose theology is based upon a well-thought out christology REJECT JESUS????????:cover:
 
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MaddLlama said:
Oh, I see. You thought you were the first JW here, so you thought you'd enlighten us all.

To you it may be "goodnews" but to the rest of us it's old news.
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its good to see that you are aware just who is making it known ,

And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 and it is for a witness, or in other words to put people on notice . so as you mentioned , i most certainly am not the only one making it known, there are a GREAT CROWD of others from all nations doing just the same as me revelation 7;9-10 for those who welcome Jesus as Gods king , it is great news , and its not as old as you may think , because Jesus has yet to go into ACTION
 
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sojourner said:
Ask the Orthodox about Christ the Pantokrator. Ask the Anglicans about their celebration of Christ the king (always the last Sunday of the liturgical year). You cannot back up your "fact." I suppose we don't sing hymns entitled, "Praise My Soul the King of Heaven," or, "Ride on, O King Eternal." In what way does the Church that has taken the Name of Christ, worships Christ, and whose theology is based upon a well-thought out christology REJECT JESUS????????:cover:
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if they reject fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology they are rejecting Jesus himself . its all happening in these last days .Jesus is a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom goverment that was set up in 1914 in the heavens Daniel 2;44 it doesnt matter what hymns we may be singing , if we have rejected Jesus kingship we have rejected Jesus.
(Philippians 2:10) so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground,
(Genesis 49:10) The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shi´loh comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.
Kiss the son, that He (Jehovah God)may not become incensed
And you may not perish [from] the way,
For his anger flares up easily.​

Happy are all those taking refuge in him. psalm 2;12
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
may said:
if they reject fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology they are rejecting Jesus himself . its all happening in these last days .Jesus is a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom goverment that was set up in 1914 in the heavens Daniel 2;44 it doesnt matter what hymns we may be singing , if we have rejected Jesus kingship we have rejected Jesus.
(Philippians 2:10) so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground,
(Genesis 49:10) The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shi´loh comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.
Kiss the son, that He (Jehovah God)may not become incensed
And you may not perish [from] the way,
For his anger flares up easily.​

Happy are all those taking refuge in him. psalm 2;12
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Once again, aske the Orthodox about the Pantokrator. Ask the Anglicans about Christ the King. We do believe in the kingship of Christ.

Prophecies are not so much about predicting events in the distant future as they are about speaking the truth about things as they are. To misunderstand that is to misunderstand prophecy.
 
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sojourner said:
Once again, aske the Orthodox about the Pantokrator. Ask the Anglicans about Christ the King. We do believe in the kingship of Christ.

Prophecies are not so much about predicting events in the distant future as they are about speaking the truth about things as they are. To misunderstand that is to misunderstand prophecy.
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and the truth is ................. Jesus was given great aurthority in 1914 when he recieved the kingship of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment Daniel 7;13-14 in line with bible prophecy and chronology . and he is NOW a reigning king ready to go into action . and misunderstanding this is not a thing that christendom are doing ,they are out rightly rejecting that fact . this is not a good thing to be doing .
 
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"the Son of David," Jesus, realized that he would have to wait to enter fully into his heavenly kingship. He knew the prophetic utterance that applied to him: "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet." So when a group of Jews wanted to "seize him to make him king," Jesus quickly withdrew. (Matthew 21:9; Psalm 110:1; John 6:15) Some 30 years later, according to Hebrews 10:12, 13, Jesus was still awaiting his kingship. In fact, he waited almost 19 centuries before being installed as rightful King of God’s Kingdom at its establishment in 1914.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Problem with your theory is that religion and government are so tied together in the OT, that religious statements are usually veiled political statements about Israel and the surrouinding area.

It is a HUGE mistake to read Jesus into OT prophecy. Christendom rejects your interpetation of Daniel and whatever-it-is that's supposed to have happened in 1914 (you have yet to explain that to anyone's satisfaction), because there is no real reason to embrace it. It is a good thing to be doing, because it keeps Christian theology from becoming hopelessly convoluted.
 
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sojourner said:
because there is no real reason to embrace it..
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the reason is fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology, and the signs of Jesus PRESENCE or parousia.
Just as Jesus predicted, his "presence" as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of "the last days" of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5.
 
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sojourner said:
It is a HUGE mistake to read Jesus into OT prophecy.quote]
The prophet Daniel recorded a vital Messianic prophecy. In the first year of Darius the Mede, he realized that Jerusalem’s 70-year desolation was near its end. (Jeremiah 29:10; Daniel 9:1-4) While Daniel was praying, the angel Gabriel came and revealed that ‘seventy weeks had been determined to finish off sin.’ The Messiah would be cut off in the middle of the 70th week. "Seventy weeks of years" began in 455 B.C.E. when Persian King Artaxerxes I ‘sent forth the word to rebuild Jerusalem.’ (Daniel 9:20-27; Moffatt; Nehemiah 2:1-8) The Messiah would come after 7 weeks plus 62 weeks. These 483 years ran from 455 B.C.E. to 29 C.E., when Jesus was baptized and God anointed him as the Messiah, or Christ. (Luke 3:21, 22) Jesus ‘finished off sin’ by giving his life as a ransom in 33 C.E. (Mark 10:45) What sound reasons for having faith in God’s prophetic word!​
Faith in God’s prophetic word makes it possible for us to identify the Messiah. Of the many Messianic prophecies recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures, a number were directly applied to Jesus by writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures. To illustrate: Jesus was born of a virgin in Bethlehem. (Isaiah 7:14; Micah 5:2; Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 2:4-11) He was called out of Egypt, and babes were killed after his birth. (Jeremiah 31:15; Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:13-18) Jesus carried our sicknesses. (Isaiah 53:4; Matthew 8:16, 17) As foretold, he entered Jerusalem on the colt of an ***. (Zechariah 9:9; John 12:12-15) The psalmist’s words were fulfilled after Jesus’ impalement when soldiers apportioned his clothing among themselves and cast lots for his inner garment. (Psalm 22:18; John 19:23, 24) The fact that Jesus’ bones were not broken and that he was pierced also fulfilled prophecy. (Psalm 34:20; Zechariah 12:10; John 19:33-37) These are but a few examples of Messianic prophecies applied to Jesus by divinely inspired Bible writers.
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