Dinosaurs, Adam and Eve, Evolution and The Beginning?

Ok, I have always wondered where religion, dinosaurs, adam and eve, evolution and the creation of the earth all fit in together? or can they? What does the bible say? What are your own points of view on them? and scientific evidence? etc etc.

Basically, I always thought that the bible teaches Adam and Eve were the first humans he created (and doesnt say anything about us coming from monkies!). Now obviously the bible teaches that God created the world in 7days (well 6 and 1 to look at it!), Now some people have told me to not take that literally and 1day could be years and years - Is this true?(I am hoping you all still with me as this is compicated to explain!)

If true? That may explain the massive gap between the first animals and the first humans!

If not? Then how do you explain a whole existent of dinosaurs walking the earth before humans (with humans? not sure on the scientific fact there) and then all getting wiped out by an asteroid? - does the bible mention this btw? Or did God create the first humans, they got wiped out, then evolution kicked in?

I'd stick with the science if I were you. IMO it's more relieable.

Ok, I have always wondered where religion, dinosaurs, adam and eve, evolution and the creation of the earth all fit in together? or can they?

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They can. There are many people who believe in Theistic Evolution...

What are your own points of view on them? and scientific evidence?

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My view is that we are here and God created us, however He did it doesn't matter to me. I also believe Adam existed.

Finnally, the Bible says nothing of what was going on in the World at large before/as the events of Genesis 1-2 transpired within the Garden of Eden.

Kosher Question:

Is a Brontosaurus considered clean or unclean?

What about the Wooly Mammoth?

How about the T-Rex.... Did he hitch a ride on Noah's ark? :canoe:

Did the Stegosaurus' come in two by two or in pairs of seven?

What about the Velociraptor?

yuvgotmel said:

Kosher Question:

Is a Brontosaurus considered clean or unclean?

What about the Wooly Mammoth?

How about the T-Rex.... Did he hitch a ride on Noah's ark? :canoe:

Did the Stegosaurus' come in two by two or in pairs of seven?

What about the Velociraptor?

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LOL, this reminds me of what a fundy Christian woman once told my uncle when he inquired about the dinosaurs and why they were extinct. Her answer: They were too big to fit on Noah's Ark. Well, that's sure some powerful God; can create the entire universe but can't help a man make a boat big enough for the dinosaurs.

Hahaha Standing Alone

laws28186 said:

Ok, I have always wondered where religion, dinosaurs, adam and eve, evolution and the creation of the earth all fit in together? or can they? What does the bible say? What are your own points of view on them? and scientific evidence? etc etc.

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Dinosaurs existed for some 135 million years from the Triassic thru the Cretacious. Then catastrophy wiped out all but the birds, who are direct descendants of the dinosaurs. Adam and Eve never existed, just a biblical tale. Evolution is the change of life thru time, first described by Charles Darwin. Any other questions?

prove it?

anyway. i'm pretty much with Mr. Emu. however God did it, it doesn't really matter to me. for all i know, Adam and Eve could have been frolicking around in the garden all during the bit the dinosaurs were romping about. maybe the dinosaurs came first. whatever. doesn't matter.

Mister Emu said:

My view is that we are here and God created us, however He did it doesn't matter to me. I also believe Adam existed.

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So was Adam made of dirt and Eve of Adam's rib or were they both born to another primate who was 99.99% like a human and then Adam was the first human?

My bible knowledge isnt very good - did God create animals first or humans (adam and eve?). Also someone told me, the dinosaur like creature is mentioned in the bible?

laws28186 said:

Ok, I have always wondered where religion, dinosaurs, adam and eve, evolution and the creation of the earth all fit in together? or can they? What does the bible say? What are your own points of view on them? and scientific evidence? etc etc.

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I think they can fit together evolution and creation are not necessarily mutually exclusive, it all depends on ones understanding/interpretation of what creation is and what it means. It is very difficult to take a "literal" interpretation of the Genesis creation story and make it compatible with evolution. But taking the Genesis creation story in a literal sense that it was literally a story written by peoples without our modern understandings of how things worked, and that it was more about expressing God's action and not the actual method, can be made compatible with our scientific theories of how the universe/world/life on earth came to be.

laws28186 said:

Basically, I always thought that the bible teaches Adam and Eve were the first humans he created (and doesnt say anything about us coming from monkies!).

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This story only goes to reflect the culture and the people who wrote it. The gods creating humans from clay is a common thread throughout many ancient creation stories almost as if it where a commonly held belief that is how humans originated. The story is more about Humans and their relationship with God. It expresses the belief that God is creator of humans and that our relation with God was on good terms until humans sinned. It might also be beneficial to point out that from what I understand (and I am no Hebrew scholar) that Adam and Eve could be translated as man and woman and may not even represent proper names.

laws28186 said:

Now obviously the bible teaches that God created the world in 7days (well 6 and 1 to look at it!), Now some people have told me to not take that literally and 1day could be years and years - Is this true?(I am hoping you all still with me as this is compicated to explain!)

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This is a perfectly reasonable thing to believe in light of Einsteins theory of relativity. The theory of relativity states that time is perceived differently based on the perspective of the observer. So to say that from our perspective the universe is 15-20 billion years old and from God's perspective it is only a few days old is not impossible or illogical. Einstien''s theory proved that such a thing is possible.

laws28186 said:

If true? That may explain the massive gap between the first animals and the first humans!

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Maybe so. I think the story was not meant to be taken in a "literal" sense that the universe is actually 6 or 7 days old which translates into 20 billion years from our perspective. I think the main point behind the story was to express the unique understanding that the Hebrew people had of their God. It was a common thread throughout ancient creation stories that the universe was formed from some kind of celestial combat or mating between gods and goddesses. The Genesis story expresses God creating simply by speaking, no need to slay a dragon and cast it down to form the land and use the blood of the dragon to form humans, or anything of that nature. The Hebrew God just said let it be and it was. Like the Hebrew people where saying our God is different from the gods of other peoples.

laws28186 said:

If not? Then how do you explain a whole existent of dinosaurs walking the earth before humans (with humans? not sure on the scientific fact there) and then all getting wiped out by an asteroid? - does the bible mention this btw? Or did God create the first humans, they got wiped out, then evolution kicked in?

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I think that the stories are relevant and teach us about the nature of God and our relationship with Him. I don't think they need to be taken "literally" in the sense that the words of the story reflect how things actually occurred. I think that they should be taken literally in the sense of the message that they are communicating. So we take from the first story of creation from Genesis that God created everything. And so when science discovers that life evolved on earth, and that part of that process involved the existence of dinosaurs and an impact event that influenced their eventual demise/extinction/evolution into new species, we must accept the facts of scientific discovery and realize that our belief is that God created it all. I don't think the Bible mentions an asteroid, I don't think the Bible was ever meant, or should ever be used as, a textbook on natural science. It is a religious text that describes our relation to God and the nature of God not how nature works.

laws28186 said:

My bible knowledge isnt very good - did God create animals first or humans (adam and eve?).

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The first creation story (the 6 day story in Genesis 1) says that animals where created before humans while the second creation story (the Adam and Eve story in Genesis 2) seems to indicated that the animals where created after humans. On a side note although the Adam and Eve story comes after the 6 day story in Genesis scholars believe that it was actually written some 400-500 years earlier and only later placed in the order it exists in today.

laws28186 said:

Also someone told me, the dinosaur like creature is mentioned in the bible?

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I've heard this too, they are referring to the leviathan and the behemoth that is mentioned in the book of Job (Chp. 40-42) but it think this refers to animals like hippos or elephants in the case of the behemoth and whales or something in the case of the leviathan. I don't think the Bible makes any specific reference to dino's because they where long gone when it was written.

yuvgotmel said:

How about the T-Rex.... Did he hitch a ride on Noah's ark? :canoe:

Did the Stegosaurus' come in two by two or in pairs of seven?

What about the Velociraptor?

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Answer found:

laws28186 said:

Ok, I have always wondered where religion, dinosaurs, adam and eve, evolution and the creation of the earth all fit in together? or can they? What does the bible say? What are your own points of view on them? and scientific evidence? etc etc.

Basically, I always thought that the bible teaches Adam and Eve were the first humans he created (and doesnt say anything about us coming from monkies!). Now obviously the bible teaches that God created the world in 7days (well 6 and 1 to look at it!), Now some people have told me to not take that literally and 1day could be years and years - Is this true?(I am hoping you all still with me as this is compicated to explain!)

If true? That may explain the massive gap between the first animals and the first humans!

If not? Then how do you explain a whole existent of dinosaurs walking the earth before humans (with humans? not sure on the scientific fact there) and then all getting wiped out by an asteroid? - does the bible mention this btw? Or did God create the first humans, they got wiped out, then evolution kicked in?

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According to Islam, we believe that Allah (God) is not limited like us into a specific time and place and he is not binded by them, and his days is not like ours based on that, and based in the many verses in the Quran where he assured this fact for us.

A day for Allah might be 1,000 years of ours:

[47] ... Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. (Quran 22:47)

It might be 50,000 years.

[4] The angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: (Quran 70:4)

Or it might be (maybe) millions of years by our time as in the case for the creation of the universe. That's why he created the universe in 6 days in his own measurement but not ours.

He also gave us example, when human beings become out of time which bind them in this life to another life in the day of judgement, and when God ask them how long they have been on earth, they gonna answer the following:

[112] He will say: "What number of years did ye stay on earth?"


[113] They will say: "We stayed a day or part of a day: but ask those who keep account."


[114] He will say: "Ye stayed not but a little, if ye had only known!


[115] "Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"


[116] Therefore exalted be Allah, the King, the Reality; there is no god but He, the Lord of the Throne of Honour! (23:112-116)


Peace and blessing,

TT

http://www.creationists.org/index.html is a site for those who wish to know what Creationists actually believe about dinosaurs, fossils, Adam and Eve, the Great Flood of Noah, etc. Check the FAQ section for many answered questions, also the LINKS for more creation sites.

Prometheus said:

So was Adam made of dirt and Eve of Adam's rib or were they both born to another primate who was 99.99% like a human and then Adam was the first human?

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Haha. Whomever they were born from would have had to have been human, too, necessarily.

I like dinosaurs.