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A Open Letter To Rosie O Donnell

Bishka

Veteran Member
I'm not sure how many of you remember, but a little while ago, Rosie O'Donnell made a remark on the view and then tried to 'defend' herself. Here is a response to the video. What are you thorughts on it?

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An Open Letter to Rosie O Donnell


To be fair and balanced, here is a video of Rosie's remark's


Rosie O Donnell's Video

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Majikthise

Guest
I once had high hopes for her. She was a great comedienne and a fair actress.
Looks like things aren't rosy for Rosie anymore.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Honestly, I could really care less what Rosie (or a slew of other television personalities who are not elected politicians) say about anything or anyone.

In general about the whole subject I don't see the big deal. I've put up with ridiculous imitations of southern accents and the consequent implications of it being an inferior style of speech thrown at me my whole life. That and people telling I speak so well for a southern boy.:rolleyes: I hardly think what Rosie said comes anywhere close to racism. Much ado over nothing.

I'm more concerned after watching a response to the video where an individual defined her race as Malay.:confused: The continuing misuse of the term race (or the fact that we still use it) I find far more intellectually disturbing than distasteful comedy.
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
In general about the whole subject I don't see the big deal. I've put up with ridiculous imitations of southern accents and the consequent implications of it being an inferior style of speech thrown at me my whole life. That and people telling I speak so well for a southern boy.:rolleyes: I hardly think what Rosie said comes anywhere close to racism. Much ado over nothing.
So is there a secret history of white southerners being racistly and systematically repressed while their accents made fun of?


Ching Chong, Chinaman,
Sitting on a wall.
Along came a white man,
And chopped his head off.

That's a "song" little kids on playground and even adults would use against Asian-Americans- and that's just a mild thing compared to other things that would happen- did you watch the video? Being buried alive in a mine shaft, hearing it as a bat is swung at you... It's a slur, it's racism, and it's a big deal.
 

kateyes

Active Member
"Rosie, you're fired!"


Pretty much says it all as far as I am concerned. Rosie is entitled to her opinions and "view"--but I don't have to listen to them--and am boycotting ABC--because they continue to give her a public forum for sharing her questionable, moronic views.
 

RevOxley_501

Well-Known Member
i know this is a separate issue. I dont think rosie intended to offend, and intent is the biggest thing to me. people make fun of rednecks, new yorkers, and everybody else...i mean i can see how it was offensive, but she didnt mean to be.


however, i am very proud of rosie coming out of the 911 truth closet, i support her and pray that she find more truth about our government than she ever imagined. and i hope she continues to push the envelope on the view no matter who it offends.

anyway, i support her, i think alot of people are building straw men about her...which shows me just who we are dealing with.




Dont call her views moronic until you take some serious time to research them either. please
 

RevOxley_501

Well-Known Member
This is a woman who doesn't think fire can melt steel...........:help:


She mis-spoke, fire can indeed melt steel, but the fires in the towers would not have gotten hot enough to do anything but weaken them some. either way, they were built to withstand the temperatures and a plane crashing into them.
 

kateyes

Active Member
Dont call her views moronic until you take some serious time to research them either. please


Just as Rosie had the right as an American to any view she choses--I have the same right to consider those views moronic. I am familiar with the theories surrounding 9/11 and WTC 7, just as Rosie has formed her opinions I have formed mine. I do not intend to be offensive (I am not certain Rosie can say the same), but I stand by my earlier statement. I think it is fine you support her views--do not belittle mine by assuming I haven't done my research as well.
 

RevOxley_501

Well-Known Member
just remember it was the first time in history a steel building had ever collapsed as a result of "fire".

and what caught fire that would burn that hot?
 

kateyes

Active Member
This is a quote from Popular Mechanics magazine in rebuttal of Rosie O'Donnel's statements. Can you give me any reason why Popular Mechanics and thier experts would have any vested interest in lying?

The unusual design of WTC7 is also crucial to the discussion, in that key columns supported extreme loads—as much as 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor—as the building straddled an electrical substation. “What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors,” NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told Popular Mechanics, “it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down.” The tower wasn’t hit by a plane, but it was severely wounded by the collapse of the North Tower. Which is when the fires started.
2. The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center weren’t knocked down by planes—they both stood for more than a half-hour after the impacts. But the crashes destroyed support columns and ignited infernos that ultimately weakened—not melted—the steel structures until the towers could no longer support their own weights (NIST offers a primer here). Ms. O’Donnell fundamentally misstates the case with her use of the word “melted”: Evidence currently points to WTC7 also collapsing because fires weakened its ravaged steel structure.
Tower 7 housed the city’s emergency command center, so there were a number of fuel tanks located throughout the building—including two 6000-gal. tanks in the basement that fed some generators in the building by pressurized lines. “Our working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time,” according to Sunder. Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. It is unknown what temperatures were reached inside WTC7, but fires in the building raged for seven hours before the collapse.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
So is there a secret history of white southerners being racistly and systematically repressed while their accents made fun of?


Ching Chong, Chinaman,
Sitting on a wall.
Along came a white man,
And chopped his head off.

That's a "song" little kids on playground and even adults would use against Asian-Americans- and that's just a mild thing compared to other things that would happen- did you watch the video? Being buried alive in a mine shaft, hearing it as a bat is swung at you... It's a slur, it's racism, and it's a big deal.

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edit: I had a more appropriate response then I thought, this is about a fevered ego (Rosie) on a half-assed talk show. I do not wish to engage in these irrelevant lines of thought which are illogical and serve no purpose to inflate someone else's misplaced ego.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
i know this is a separate issue. I dont think rosie intended to offend, and intent is the biggest thing to me. people make fun of rednecks, new yorkers, and everybody else...i mean i can see how it was offensive, but she didnt mean to be.
I don't think she meant to offend either. But there's only so far that ignorance will get you as an excuse. If Rosie had said, "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend but now I see how that could be taken as offensive," I woulda thought she was great. People are certainly allowed to make mistakes. But that wasn't her response.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/us/29cnd-collapse.html?hp

He was not the only one wondering how the overpass, which dates to the 1950’s, had failed. At a noontime press conference held at a toll plaza near the collapse, Mr. Kempton said the heat from the fireball had likely melted the steel girders and bolts that support the concrete roadway. “If you have that kind of heat, you’re going to have this kind of reaction,” he said. “We’re not surprised this happened.”

But, I thought that fire couldn't melt steel???
 

CaptainXeroid

Following Christ
...But, I thought that fire couldn't melt steel???
As the article says, steel melts(liquifies) at 2,750 F. Anyone with more than a 5th grade education can understand that it does not retain its full tensile strength as it heats up.

Unless the conspiracy theory lunatics:rolleyes: want to claim that the Bay Bridge was brought down by some kind of covert government action, we have a clear reminder that the towers were brought down by the laws of physics.

btw...anyone who takes a solitary word that comes out of Rosie O'Donnell's mouth as anything other than mindless entertainment value does so at his own peril.:sorry1:
 

jimbob

The Celt
Rosie reminds me of the stupid kid in school who always tried to sound smart. the teacher would ask "whats 2+2" and he'd answer "well, in the immortal words of (place some famous scholars name here) there is no tangible truth of truth' and as such, i cannot explicitly confirm or deny that 2+2 equals anything. however, to satiate your desires teacher, i believe the answer you are prying our minds for is 4"
and then everyone else looks at each other and laughs at the loser. yeah. that's what Rosie and her opinions remind me of.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
In general about the whole subject I don't see the big deal. I've put up with ridiculous imitations of southern accents and the consequent implications of it being an inferior style of speech thrown at me my whole life. That and people telling I speak so well for a southern boy.:rolleyes: I hardly think what Rosie said comes anywhere close to racism. Much ado over nothing.
I don't think that the denigration of Southern accents is any more acceptable than what Rosie did, and I would say so (and have said so) under similar circumstances. That may not be racism, but it is certainly a kind of prejudice.

Gnomon, I am concerned with the tendency to respond to these types of incidents with "Well I've experienced worse so why should I care about this?" This approach leaves us with the lowest common denominator of acceptable behavior.


I'm more concerned after watching a response to the video where an individual defined her race as Malay.:confused: The continuing misuse of the term race (or the fact that we still use it) I find far more intellectually disturbing than distasteful comedy.
We still use the term race because we still think in terms of race, regardless of what people might say. The fact that the media thought it relevant to repeat that the Virginia Tech shooter was "Asian" is evidence of that.

I agree that Malay is not a race. Race is a confusing and nebulous social construct. It is an invention, the concept did not exist until a couple of hundred years ago. Yet the effects of this social construction on our interactions are real.
 
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