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Vengeance

Rex

Founder
the act of taking revenge (harming someone in retaliation for something harmful that they have done) especially in the next life; "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord"--Romans 12:19; "For vengeance I would do nothing. This nation is too great to look for mere revenge"--James Garfield; "he swore vengeance on the man who betrayed him"; "the swiftness of divine retribution"


Do you think vengeance is a good thing or bad thing? And if situations permitted would you take into your own hands?
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
If it's practical jokes. I'm going to set it straight. That is war :D.

In practically any other case, I leave veangance to God and the state. I'll let them deal with it. I don't need to.
 

fromthe heart

Well-Known Member
Rex_Admin said:
the act of taking revenge (harming someone in retaliation for something harmful that they have done) especially in the next life; "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord"--Romans 12:19; "For vengeance I would do nothing. This nation is too great to look for mere revenge"--James Garfield; "he swore vengeance on the man who betrayed him"; "the swiftness of divine retribution"


Do you think vengeance is a good thing or bad thing? And if situations permitted would you take into your own hands?
Personally I have no need for vengence/revenge...when you carry something with you in order to 'get even' you just hurt yourself. I have had times where I wanted to take revenge SO bad at someone who had done me wrong...I remember saying 'vengence is mine..sayeth the Lord' until I fell asleep because of intense anger. It always has worked so I don't stoop to someones level of rudeness.:)
 

t3gah

Well-Known Member
The scriptures say, "Return evil for evil to no one". The fact that God states he will be the avenger is a good thing. At the end of the world and the beginning of the new way, God will be vengeful against all those who will never do what God says. All those who are like that will be detrimental to those who will. There will be peace and tranquility.

As for wars being an avenger, that falls under the scripture quoted. Vengence is for God to do and decide to do to whomever. It is not for man to do to anyone.

Personal vengence never works out. IF we take the scriptures out of the picture completely and go for the psychological approach, the only things that come from being vengeful are broken hearts and spirits for both parties. The one doing the avenging and the party that's getting the wrath. Some may argue that those doing the avenging won't feel anything in the aftermath, but a great many feel drained and tapped out emotionally. All pent up to get it done and when it was all over it is as if someone drained the life out of them. There are many cases when those who are the avengers don't feel that way and those are the exceptions and the most dangerous people on earth.

Answers...
1- Vengence is only for God to perform and it's a good thing because it's divine justice.
2- I would never avenge anything since I believe and adhere to the rule in the scriptures to not return evil for evil.
 

t3gah

Well-Known Member
Brain Study Shows Why Revenge Is Sweet
(http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0827_040827_punishment.html)

John Roach
for National Geographic News
August 27, 2004

Revenge is sweet. Many of us have felt that way, and now scientists say they know why.

A new brain-imaging study suggests we feel satisfaction when we punish others for bad behavior. In fact, anticipation of this pleasure drives us to crack the whip, according to scientists behind the new research...
 

Dr. Nosophoros

Active Member
Justice serves those that serve themselves, taking personal vengeance on someone is sometimes the only way that someone that has done wrong will be punished when they well deserve it.

That said, it also takes a certain ammount of responsibility on the part of the individual to act certain ways to not get themselves in a position where something happens to them when they themselves were being stupid and may well have deserved something happening to them. For example:

A man starts trouble with a smaller man who he sees as weak, the smaller man picks up a stick and beats the crap out of him- morally speaking, the larger man should take it like a man and walk away because he started it in the first place- he deserves no act of vengeance.

If a larger man starts trouble with a smaller man who he sees as weak and beats the crap out of him, the smaller man deserves his vengeance.

Or if a man rapes a woman or molests someones (or his own) kids, that person deserves serious retribution/ even death. Unfortunately we have a system of law, not a system of justice and IMO justice is never truly served to these individuals for the most part. I wouldn't blame or condemn anyone for killing someone that has done something like that to a friend, family member etc. in fact I would applaud it, but doing something that serious will also possibly get an individual themselves thrown in jail in our system of law, it's an unfortunate reality.

My grandpa used to say " don't start any sh*t but don't take any sh*t" and he definately lived it, I see no reason why anyone should turn the other cheek unless it puts them in a better position to destroy those who have wronged them. I've seen the phrase "Eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" but the way I see it, if someone pokes out your eye and you do nothing and they poke the other eye out, you end up being the only one blind. Vengeance is good, but it does come with responsibility.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I wish I had your control 'to the heart'; yours is one of the answers that I would hope to be able to emulate. But then, sometimes, emotion gets in the way, and causes actions before 'wise mind' gets the chance to have some input!
 

Fluffy

A fool
This is one of those things which I firmly think is wrong but I would have absolutly no qualms whatsoever on taking vengenance on someone who I thought deserved it. Hypocritically, I would still stop someone else from getting revenge :(,
 

Melody

Well-Known Member
Rex_Admin said:
Do you think vengeance is a good thing or bad thing? And if situations permitted would you take into your own hands?
We (Christians) are told that we must forgive to be forgiven. Vengeance implies that we haven't forgiven.

Melody
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Rex Admin writes: "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord"--Romans 12:19;

Many religions base their faith in the hope that GOD is indeed an angry, wrathful GOD and that people who deserve it will get their just deserts. There is the punishment of hell and there is Armageddon, Judgment Day and the Apocalypse. Anyone who believes that GOD will enact such revenge on human entities just does not K(NOW) GOD.



TRUE GOD FACTS:
3.GOD does not think like humans DO.

5.You cannot offend GOD. GOD does not anger or have any regrets.

9. GOD does not punish or judge or enact revenge.

Rex Admin writes: And if situations permitted would you take into your own hands?

For someone to enact revenge physically and realistically on another entity may only bring many unwanted or unexpected consequences.

 

martha

Active Member
Vengeance is never good. It is detrimental to the soul. We are sometimes blinded by the white hot rage of anger. At these times it is a good idea to be patient, and let our anger dissipate.

When I was being physically abused in a relationship over five years ago, I learned patience. This is not to say that I didn't entertain visions of beating this man senseless. Sometimes after having been beaten, actual thoughts of murder came to my mind. These ideas stemmed from my outrage at what was being done to me. I entertained these ideas for a short time, but by the Grace of God these thoughts left me and I found the proper path to relieve myself of this burden. I have been blessed with a compassionate and understanding nature. I do not believe that we are born with a propensity for evil, so I forgive, because I understand that there are underlying reasons and learned behavior that some have been afflicted with.



It would be a terrible position to put myself in if I acted in a vengeful manner. I would always feel guilty because I had allowed myself to take on the very qualities that I abhor. No beloved, never allow yourself to take vengeance into your own hands. It will destroy you.
Martha
 

FyreBrigidIce

Returning Noob
I have a few people I have thought about seeking my own vengeance on. The feelings stem from the abuse I went through and from a few of them abusing my children and step-children. One of the reasons I have wanted revenge for my children and step-children is because the justice system either did not have enough evidence to put them away or those that had the ability to help chose to ignore my stepdaughters accusations as if she was lying.

The reason I have not sought my own vengeance is simple. My children need me at home if I am to help them get through these things, not behind bars for taking the law into my own hands. Plus, deep inside I believe that what is not made right while alive will be taken care when they pass from this life.

FBI
 

t3gah

Well-Known Member
carrdero said:

Many religions base their faith in the hope that GOD is indeed an angry, wrathful GOD and that people who deserve it will get their just deserts. There is the punishment of hell and there is Armageddon, Judgment Day and the Apocalypse. Anyone who believes that GOD will enact such revenge on human entities just does not K(NOW) GOD.



TRUE GOD FACTS:
3.GOD does not think like humans DO.

5.You cannot offend GOD. GOD does not anger or have any regrets.

9. GOD does not punish or judge or enact revenge.


For someone to enact revenge physically and realistically on another entity may only bring many unwanted or unexpected consequences.

Ever hear about what God did to King Saul?
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
" Do you think vengeance is a good thing or bad thing? "

That question covers a lot of ground . I don't think there is a yes or no answer to it . I mean , isn't waiting for another to revenge us about the same as taking revenge ourselves ? Vengeance can eat you up , if you allow it , not matter how " clean you keep your hands ". Sometimes it is better to let it go . Sometimes perhaps not . The important thing I think is to get it over as quickly as possible , however possible and not allow it to grow . Which BTW I think is what the Bible meant when it says that vengeance is the Lord's . Let it go .
 

huajiro

Well-Known Member
I am terrible when it comes to revenge. If someone does something to me, I will pay them back tenfold. I love movies about revenge too (Braveheart, Patriot, The Crow, etc etc)
 
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