All Honest people to be saved?

DavyCrocket2003 · Apr 24, 2007

If a man (or woman) lives out their life trying to do the best that they can to follow what they believe to be right, will that person be "saved" so to speak? Even if they get it completely wrong? For instance if Christians are right Will a good Muslim be saved for following what he/she believed? Or visa versa?

I am of the opinion that any person born anywhere, anytime, or who follows any path of thinking or believing will "go to heaven" if they are honestly trying to do what is right and to live their beliefs.

What do you guys think?

Bishka · Apr 24, 2007

I'm pretty much agreed with you.

jimbob · Apr 24, 2007

if a person lives his life fully accepting the graces accepted by God, and truly and honestly does all he can to live his life according to what he knows is right, the i think God has endless mercy and can totally accept them.

UnityNow101 · Apr 25, 2007

I would believe that to be an accurate assessment...I have a hard time believing that a professing Christian that commits multiple sins and cares not for humanity or the world would go to Paradise, yet a faithful person who does good towards all, but practices another religion will go to Hell. Just because someone calls on Jesus Christ does not mean that they will be saved. God is the ultimate and sufficient judge on who will and will not be saved. Jesus Himself says that not everyone that professes to Him saying "Lord, Lord" shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Leave the judgment regarding salvation unto God Almighty.

Prometheus · Apr 25, 2007

KJV John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Hmm, nope. If you're a not a Christian you're not getting to heaven. Sorry.

DavyCrocket2003 · Apr 25, 2007

Prometheus said:
KJV John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Hmm, nope. If you're a not a Christian you're not getting to heaven. Sorry.

I would disagree with the last statement. While I do believe that Jesus is the only way that we can be saved, I don't believe that he will only save so called "Christians." I bet that sounds rediculous, but that's what I believe.

DavyCrocket2003 · Apr 25, 2007

What if I had lived in South America a thousand years ago and had never heard of Jesus Christ? Suppose I lived a wonderful life full of love for my fellow beings. Would I go to hell? How can that be fair?

Prometheus · Apr 25, 2007

DavyCrocket2003 said:
What if I had lived in South America a thousand years ago and had never heard of Jesus Christ? Suppose I lived a wonderful life full of love for my fellow beings. Would I go to hell? How can that be fair?

It's not fair. That's why I think Christianity is silly.

It's silly because if it really doesn't matter what religion people are and only that we try to be "good people", then why even have religion in the first place? Why are millions of people going to church, praying, fasting and reading their holy books if it doesn't really matter one way or the other?

If it's really true that, in the end, it all comes down to being a good person and not what religion you are, then there is no real reason to have a religion in the first place.

Tigress · Apr 25, 2007

UnityNow101 said:
I would believe that to be an accurate assessment...I have a hard time believing that a professing Christian that commits multiple sins and cares not for humanity or the world would go to Paradise, yet a faithful person who does good towards all, but practices another religion will go to Hell. Just because someone calls on Jesus Christ does not mean that they will be saved. God is the ultimate and sufficient judge on who will and will not be saved. Jesus Himself says that not everyone that professes to Him saying "Lord, Lord" shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Leave the judgment regarding salvation unto God Almighty.

Agreed. I believe that God looks at the sum of our actions, and our intentions, and proceeds from there.

DavyCrocket2003 · Apr 25, 2007

Prometheus said:
It's not fair. That's why I think Christianity is silly.

It's silly because if it really doesn't matter what religion people are and only that we try to be "good people", then why even have religion in the first place? Why are millions of people going to church, praying, fasting and reading their holy books if it doesn't really matter one way or the other?

If it's really true that, in the end, it all comes down to being a good person and not what religion you are, then there is no real reason to have a religion in the first place.

I would think that it matters a great deal. First of all, if I'm going to be saved, be assured that I want to know how! And from what.

And the more I find out, the more I am responsible to follow. For instance since I believe the Bible, I am now required to follow it's teachings.

If I didn't, I would not be satisfying the requirements of heaven by living up to what I believe.

Prometheus · Apr 25, 2007

DavyCrocket2003 said:
I would think that it matters a great deal. First of all, if I'm going to be saved, be assured that I want to know how! And from what.

And the more I find out, the more I am responsible to follow. For instance since I believe the Bible, I am now required to follow it's teachings.

If I didn't, I would not be satisfying the requirements of heaven by living up to what I believe.

Ignorance is bliss, my friend.

If what you say it's true, then why couldn't everyone just destroy all the holy books and churches and from now on we teach our children nothing about religion? Everyone would go to heaven from then on, right?

Tigress · Apr 25, 2007

Prometheus said:
It's not fair. That's why I think Christianity is silly.

I don't think it's prudent, much less accurate, to make a base judgment concerning the entirety of Christianity, and for that matter, Christians, as you have. Notice that both Becky, and jimbob--Christians--agreed with what Davy had to say in his opening post.

It's silly because if it really doesn't matter what religion people are and only that we try to be "good people", then why even have religion in the first place? Why are millions of people going to church, praying, fasting and reading their holy books if it doesn't really matter one way or the other?

If it's really true that, in the end, it all comes down to being a good person and not what religion you are, then there is no real reason to have a religion in the first place.

I suppose if one is of the mind that 'being right,' or 'being the sole delegate of the hereafter' is all religion is about, then said revelation would seem a tad silly.

FFH · Apr 25, 2007

Prometheus said:
Ignorance is bliss, my friend.

Yet a man cannot be saved in ignorance...

Doctrine and Covenants 131: 6

6- It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance.
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If what you say it's true, then why couldn't everyone just destroy all the holy books and churches and from now on we teach our children nothing about religion? Everyone would go to heaven from then on, right?

Inspired scripture is what keeps us from being ignorant of the many things necessary for salvation...

DavyCrocket2003 · Apr 25, 2007

Prometheus said:
Ignorance is bliss, my friend.

If what you say it's true, then why couldn't everyone just destroy all the holy books and churches and from now on we teach our children nothing about religion? Everyone would go to heaven from then on, right?

I have to admit I have thought the same thing before.

However this idea quickly seems idiotic to me when I think of how my life is blessed by my testimony of Jesus Christ. In a shifting, changing moral climate with so many crazy things going on in the world, I find that he is like a rock that I can anchor myself to. Without that anchor my life would be meaningless.

Prometheus · Apr 25, 2007

Tigress said:
I don't think it's prudent, much less accurate, to make a base judgment concerning the entirety of Christianity, and for that matter, Christians, as you have. Notice that both Becky, and jimbob--Christians--agreed with what Davy had to say in his opening post.

It's not unreasonable to judge Christianity the way I do when it seems blatantly unnecessary to have it in the first place if Dave is correct. Besides, FFH is on my side here.

Tigress said:
I suppose if one is of the mind that 'being right,' or 'being the sole delegate of the hereafter' is all religion is about, then said revelation would seem a tad silly.

What else is it for? You don't need religion to be moral, so after that, all religion does is get people to the afterlife appropriately.

DavyCrocket2003 said:
I have to admit I have thought the same thing before.

However this idea quickly seems idiotic to me when I think of how my life is blessed by my testimony of Jesus Christ. In a shifting, changing moral climate with so many crazy things going on in the world, I find that he is like a rock that I can anchor myself to. Without that anchor my life would be meaningless.

I don't have that "anchor" and my life is far from meaningless.

Maybe you should rethink what makes life meaningful.

FFH · Apr 25, 2007

Prometheus said:
FFH is on my side here

Yes, it takes more than just being an honest person in order to be "saved" in the kingdom of heaven with God..

First Principles and Ordinances of Christ's Restored Gospel

Faith - In the Lord Jesus Christ
Repentance

Baptism by Immersion for the Remission of Sins
Laying on of Hands for the Gift of the Holy Ghost

FFH · Apr 25, 2007

Prometheus said:
KJV John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Hmm, nope. If you're a not a Christian you're not getting to heaven. Sorry.

True, there is no other way to the Father but by the Son..

Tigress · Apr 25, 2007

Prometheus said:
It's not unreasonable to judge Christianity the way I do when it seems blatantly unnecessary to have it in the first place if Dave is correct. Besides, FFH is on my side here.

What else is it for? You don't need religion to be moral, so after that, all religion does is get people to the afterlife appropriately.

I don't have that "anchor" and my life is far from meaningless.

Maybe you should rethink what makes life meaningful.

Prometheus, Davy said that his faith is his anchor, and I believe that statement carries a lot of substance, and is, in essence, the purpose of religion. Religion offers fellowship--fellowship of the like-minded, it offers possibilities--possibilities that appease the human mind, and it offers a moral framework which, although the basics can be found outside religion, can act as a rock for those less inclined, or unable to set, or keep to a moral framework.

FFH · Apr 25, 2007

DavyCrocket2003 said:
What if I had lived in South America a thousand years ago and had never heard of Jesus Christ? Suppose I lived a wonderful life full of love for my fellow beings. Would I go to hell? How can that be fair?

Of course the gospel will be taught to them, but many will reject it, even in the next life, because the same principles will still be in affect, such as faith and repentance...

Christ will not be accepted by every honest person in this world...

Good honest people will reject Christ and his gospel for sure....

Many will think they can be saved simply by their worldly deeds and knowledge..

2 Tim. 3: 7

7- Ever learninghttp://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_tim/3/7a, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth..

"Ever learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth"

It takes humility and faith, not just honesty and intellect, in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven...

God is extremely merciful and will save all those who comply with his principles and ordinances. Progression is definitely a part of the next life, as it is here, but most have consciously, or subconsciously, made their decisions, as to who they have put their trust in...

Prometheus · Apr 25, 2007

Tigress said:
Prometheus, Davy said that his faith is his anchor, and I believe that statement carries a lot of substance, and is, in essence, the purpose of religion. Religion offers fellowship--fellowship of the like-minded, it offers possibilities--possibilities that appease the human mind, and it offers a moral framework which, although the basics can be found outside religion, can act as a rock for those less inclined, or unable to set, or keep to a moral framework.

All of this is irrelevant if the religion is not true.

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