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Do You Identify as a Feminist?
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To echo @ChristineM i believe feminism is about women's rights and equality of the sees, both of which I support.
I don't identify as a feminist because the term has a lot of baggage which i believe is falsely attributed to it by the far right, but I maybe a sex positive feminist even though I don't openly identify as one
Subduction Zone
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Do I identify as a feminist?
Only when trying to pick up some hot "woke" chick at a bar
Only when trying to pick up some hot "woke" chick at a bar
I was raised by my dad after age 9, and he cooked for my brother and me - although it was kind of a group effort. We also ate out a lot. We had pizza every Friday night. We never actually ate at the dining room table. We ate in the TV room on trays. My brother and I did the dishes and cleaned up the kitchen. My dad was the one who showed me how to make canned soup. We got along okay with no women. It was a bit more regimented, as we pretty much had the same thing on the same nights of the week - spaghetti on Monday, hamburgers on Tuesday, pork chops on Wednesday. It worked for us.
That's why I always find it difficult to fathom when I hear about men who seemingly can't do simple tasks such as feeding themselves.
It comes out of that thingie over the sink.
My mom eventually left my dad, perhaps about 7ish years after the 'soup' incident. Dad was struck with all the things he never learned how to do(or had never bothered doing). I think he lived off of pasta and canned soup for the first year, because it was about all he knew how to make. He got my middle sister to do some of the domestic chores; I moved out when they split, and my youngest sister would have little to do with him(he was a domineering jerk at the time). Whenever I was at his house, I'd raz him about what a mess the bathroom or kitchen was, because he had always been so critical of any kind of mess, yet he obviously didn't know how to clean well himself.
Fast forward to now, he does all of the cooking for himself and his new wife(who is a really picky eater), and defers to her for all major decisions, referring to her as his 'adult supervision'.
My brother and I learned some of it on our own, too. We had cook books. We could even read and follow a recipe, just like a science experiment in school.
Although it didn't always go smoothly. My dad's repeated failures at trying to bake homemade bread turned out to be a running joke that lasted for years.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Do I identify as a feminist?
Only when trying to pick up some hot "woke" chick at a bar
It is easier when they are awake.
I'm old enough that in several of my foster homes, that was called a "pump." True! (And pooping in the outhouse in February in northern Ontario -- not for the faint of heart, let me tell you.)
Especially on a 3-holer, I bet.
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To your right, a Frozen Frog, AKA, Queeb, Peasouper, Snowfrog, Beaver Beater.
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All sexes/genders should be granted the same rights as any other.
Yes.
Because I want another forum to post in.
Also because my wordview aligns with the feminist movement.
But more because of the first reason.
Recipes are kind of like science experiments... and no, it doesn't always go smoothly.
My mom's refusal to cook for me after I went vegetarian at 12 left me to learn, too. I think it was the best thing she ever did for me.
Bread is tricky, until you get the knack for it. I have only had one successful rye loaf.
PoetPhilosopher
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As left as I am, it may surprise you to know that I'm not a feminist.
I don't really know what feminism is. Maybe I can't realize what it is, not without some sort of help.
I am fairly certain that it involves accepting that women do not need approval from a man at every turn, but that is about it.
I have said outright in the past that I have little idea of whether I qualify as a feminist. That hasn't changed.
I am fairly certain that it involves accepting that women do not need approval from a man at every turn, but that is about it.
I have said outright in the past that I have little idea of whether I qualify as a feminist. That hasn't changed.
No, I'm not a feminist. It's rather unneeded in the Western world at this point. Women are doing better than men in several ways, while men and boys are falling behind and dying deaths of despair in record numbers. I'm far more concerned about how my fellow guys are doing where I am. It ain't good, and hardly anyone seems to care or notice.
Setting aside the ambiguity of the term "Western world" (since it encompasses wildly differing cultures and societies such as, say, Bulgaria's and the US'), I think abortion bans and the increasing restrictions on reproductive health care—like in the US and Poland—by themselves make a solid case that feminism is still needed in multiple Western countries. That's before one even considers other issues such as sexual assault.
But yes, I agree men need a lot more attention to certain issues that affect us. Conscription (or the draft), mental health care, and prison violence are three major issues that immediately come to mind.
I found this interesting where it concerns feminist theology especially in the United States.
This movement took on fresh life in the 1970s and has since undergone an enormous development in connection with the movement for the liberation of women, especially in North America. To be precise, several forms of feminist biblical hermeneutics have to be distinguished, for the approaches taken are very diverse. All unite around a common theme, woman, and a common goal: the liberation of women and the acquisition on their part of rights equal to those enjoyed by men. The three principal forms of feminist biblical hermeneutics: the radical form, the neo-orthodox form and the critical form.
1 The radical form denies all authority to the Bible, maintaining that it has been produced by men simply with a view to confirming man's age-old domination of woman (androcentrism).
2 The neo-orthodox form accepts the Bible as prophetic and as potentially of service, at least to the extent that it takes sides on behalf of the oppressed and thus also of women, this orientation is adopted as a "canon within the canon," so as to highlight whatever in the Bible favors the liberation of women and the acquisition of their rights.
3 The critical form, employing a subtle methodology, seeks to rediscover the status and role of women disciples within the life of Jesus and in the Pauline churches. At this period, it maintains, a certain equality prevailed.
The first is the feminist criterion, borrowed from the women's liberation movement, in line with the more general direction of liberation theology. This criterion involves a hermeneutic of suspicion: Since history was normally written by the victors, establishing the full truth requires that one does not simply trust texts as they stand but look for signs which may reveal something quite different.
The second criterion is sociological; it is based on the study of societies in the biblical times, their social stratification and the position they accorded to women.
Where the disciples of Jesus formed "a community of equals." Galatians 3:28 is a text often cited in defense of this view. The aim is to rediscover for today the forgotten history of the role of women in the earliest stages of the church.
With regard to the Old Testament, several studies have striven to come to a better understanding of the image of God. The God of the Bible is not a projection of a patriarchal mentality. He is Father, but also the God of tenderness and maternal love.
excerpts from 'Interpretation of the Bible in the Church'
So, yes, I am a feminist. Its hard to believe that in the 21st century we continue to live under the same patriarchal system, both in religion and politics.
This movement took on fresh life in the 1970s and has since undergone an enormous development in connection with the movement for the liberation of women, especially in North America. To be precise, several forms of feminist biblical hermeneutics have to be distinguished, for the approaches taken are very diverse. All unite around a common theme, woman, and a common goal: the liberation of women and the acquisition on their part of rights equal to those enjoyed by men. The three principal forms of feminist biblical hermeneutics: the radical form, the neo-orthodox form and the critical form.
1 The radical form denies all authority to the Bible, maintaining that it has been produced by men simply with a view to confirming man's age-old domination of woman (androcentrism).
2 The neo-orthodox form accepts the Bible as prophetic and as potentially of service, at least to the extent that it takes sides on behalf of the oppressed and thus also of women, this orientation is adopted as a "canon within the canon," so as to highlight whatever in the Bible favors the liberation of women and the acquisition of their rights.
3 The critical form, employing a subtle methodology, seeks to rediscover the status and role of women disciples within the life of Jesus and in the Pauline churches. At this period, it maintains, a certain equality prevailed.
The first is the feminist criterion, borrowed from the women's liberation movement, in line with the more general direction of liberation theology. This criterion involves a hermeneutic of suspicion: Since history was normally written by the victors, establishing the full truth requires that one does not simply trust texts as they stand but look for signs which may reveal something quite different.
The second criterion is sociological; it is based on the study of societies in the biblical times, their social stratification and the position they accorded to women.
Where the disciples of Jesus formed "a community of equals." Galatians 3:28 is a text often cited in defense of this view. The aim is to rediscover for today the forgotten history of the role of women in the earliest stages of the church.
With regard to the Old Testament, several studies have striven to come to a better understanding of the image of God. The God of the Bible is not a projection of a patriarchal mentality. He is Father, but also the God of tenderness and maternal love.
excerpts from 'Interpretation of the Bible in the Church'
So, yes, I am a feminist. Its hard to believe that in the 21st century we continue to live under the same patriarchal system, both in religion and politics.
The kind I support is pro-LGBT, pro-choice, and sex-positive.
"Feminism" without a prefix seems an inadequate label.
"Libertarian" fits your criteria better.
Call it "pro-choice libertarian" just to be comprehensive.
(I've never run across an anti-abortion libertarian, but
some might exist.)