‘The word was God’ - What was that almighty word that created all things?

Soapy said:

That is certainly an interesting take on the matter. I’ve not heard this before in this form.

But as I asked, if Jesus is YHWH and also YHWH’s word…? How does that work?

I mean, ‘YHWH was with God’??

To make sense of that statement the word ‘God’ cannot be a deity (personality / person). It has to be a description of something …:

Click to expand...

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, Second, God is a "ECHAD" of himself. supportive scripture. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

the term God here is in the Hebrew is a plurality, or the "ECHAD" of God in CREATION as the Ordinal First and Ordinal LAST. LISTEN to the definition of God.
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

NOTICE, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') here is the plural of H433

so, what or who is H433?
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410

so, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') is the plural of H433. notice "of", and not "From" H433, which is very important. because if the definition would have said, "FROM" H433, then there would be two separate H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah). but the definition clearly states "of" H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah), indicating that it;s the same one "PERSON", or the ECHAD, or as Phil. 2:6 states, "THE EQUAL SHARE" WITH, WITH, WITH, God which the bible support throughout.

now follow me. H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') clearly states that God (THE ONE PERSON), H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) is a plurality of, of, of, himself, and not a plurality FROM himself. that's very important. because this plurality of himself describes the H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') perfectly as the "FIRST" and the "LAST" a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, as the Bible clearly states. and this plurality of himself or ECHAD is EXPRESSED in Ordinal Designations of FIRST and LAST. supportive scripture. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

here, thew Hebrew term "ONE" is,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

many scholars, (not all), jump at definition #1 and some calls it a "Compound unity" in order to comprise with the trinity believing system. which is an ERROR, the Lord Jesus, God almighty, nor any of his apostles, or disciples comprise with that way of thinking, but UNDERSTOOD that God is an ECHAD of himself as definition #2 clearly states, 2. (as an ordinal) first. and also as the term "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1. saya the same thing, which is
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

God is FIRST in Both this old creation, and the new creation to come, supportive scripture. Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: "Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" Colossians 1:17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossians 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

this word preeminence means,
G4409 πρωτεύω proteuo (prō-tev'-ō) v.
to be first (in rank or influence).
[from G4413]
KJV: have the preeminence
Root(s): G4413

to be first there it is again in the NEW CREATION. God is the "FIRST" born or the FIRSTFRUIT from the DEAD, as Genesis 1:1 states "FIRSTFRUIT" of CREATION

this is Just to easy not to be understood. this is why the RANK of JESUS in the OT is "LORD", and in the NT of the ECHAD, "Lord".

when one understands the basic concept of the ECHAD of God as Ordinal First and Last, the bible will open up unto you.

if need be re-read this post, and if any question, ask.

191G.

101G said:

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, Second, God is a "ECHAD" of himself. supportive scripture. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

the term God here is in the Hebrew is a plurality, or the "ECHAD" of God in CREATION as the Ordinal First and Ordinal LAST. LISTEN to the definition of God.
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

NOTICE, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') here is the plural of H433

so, what or who is H433?
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410

so, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') is the plural of H433. notice "of", and not "From" H433, which is very important. because if the definition would have said, "FROM" H433, then there would be two separate H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah). but the definition clearly states "of" H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah), indicating that it;s the same one "PERSON", or the ECHAD, or as Phil. 2:6 states, "THE EQUAL SHARE" WITH, WITH, WITH, God which the bible support throughout.

now follow me. H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') clearly states that God (THE ONE PERSON), H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) is a plurality of, of, of, himself, and not a plurality FROM himself. that's very important. because this plurality of himself describes the H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') perfectly as the "FIRST" and the "LAST" a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, as the Bible clearly states. and this plurality of himself or ECHAD is EXPRESSED in Ordinal Designations of FIRST and LAST. supportive scripture. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

here, thew Hebrew term "ONE" is,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

many scholars, (not all), jump at definition #1 and some calls it a "Compound unity" in order to comprise with the trinity believing system. which is an ERROR, the Lord Jesus, God almighty, nor any of his apostles, or disciples comprise with that way of thinking, but UNDERSTOOD that God is an ECHAD of himself as definition #2 clearly states, 2. (as an ordinal) first. and also as the term "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1. saya the same thing, which is
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

God is FIRST in Both this old creation, and the new creation to come, supportive scripture. Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: "Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" Colossians 1:17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossians 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

this word preeminence means,
G4409 πρωτεύω proteuo (prō-tev'-ō) v.
to be first (in rank or influence).
[from G4413]
KJV: have the preeminence
Root(s): G4413

to be first there it is again in the NEW CREATION. God is the "FIRST" born or the FIRSTFRUIT from the DEAD, as Genesis 1:1 states "FIRSTFRUIT" of CREATION

this is Just to easy not to be understood. this is why the RANK of JESUS in the OT is "LORD", and in the NT of the ECHAD, "Lord".

when one understands the basic concept of the ECHAD of God as Ordinal First and Last, the bible will open up unto you.

if need be re-read this post, and if any question, ask.

191G.

Click to expand...

I think I see what you are trying to say. But remember that the post is about ‘The Word’ of God as in John 1:1.

The examination is of the meaning - and, yes, the God of the Jews is one God: Supreme (that’s a great superlative to add to the others I listed.

Saying that, then, the verse in John 1:1 would read:

• ‘In the beginning was the utterance of the Supreme God: YHWH’
  • ‘Let there be light’ … ‘Let the earth bring forth …. etc.’
• ‘And the utterance of the God of the Jews was with supremacy in power and authority’
  • No word ever uttered had greater power
• ‘And the utterance of the lord God was ALL POWERFUL - Almighty’
  • God’s utterances are RULING WORDS - irresistible and glorious!
• “It was with God in the beginning.” (vs. 2)
  • Repeat and summary of the first line in vs. 1. It (the utterance of the deity of the Jews) was supreme and all powerful from the beginning

If you take ‘God’ to mean ‘the echad Deity of the Jews’ and you read verse 2 as ‘He was in the beginning WITH GOD’ then do you see that the sentence is a statement of TWO PERSONS … one of whom is the echad God and the other (‘He’) was WITH the echad God… So we are back to trying to define or establish:

• “Who is the ‘He’ that was WITH GOD in the beginning!”

And, for sure, there is no mention of a THIRD PERSON being WITH the deity God in the beginning.

Please, I understand about Echad as meaning ‘One’ and ‘Only’… it is the meaning of the term ‘Word of God’ and specifically, ‘word’, that I’m asking.

Could it be ‘utterance’? You know and believe that GOD’s utterances are supreme, almighty, ruling, judging, majestic, and glorious in power and authority… You know that what God utters must come true … and you know the phrase ‘To put flesh on the bones of your word!’ - and you know that God uttered the word that salvation would come to mankind by the seed of a woman - that a saviour would come in time… and that ‘word’ from God did certainly put on flesh in the fullness of God’s time.

But it’s a double saying because God TAUGHT Jesus, the saviour, what to say and do. If, and he did, say exactly what God taught him to say, then he certainly is as good as God speaking himself - the word of God.
But God didn’t teach Jesus what to say and do until after Jesus was born and was growing up until God called Jesus into service at the age of 30.

When God assigns someone to a task , God EMPOWERS THEM first. That’s what happened to Jesus at the river Jordan when Jesus was baptised with God’s spirit. It was then that Jesus was ‘SENT’ do perform the assigned task:

• “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.“ (Acts 10:37-38)

So we revisit John 1:1. That verse is talking about creation where God spoke the world into creation. Yes, GOD ALONE, ECHAD ONLY… So, the term ‘word of God’ is not speaking of the messiah who came thousands of years later and had to be empowered BY the spirit of the echad God. If Jesus WAS ALREADY GOD then what need would he have had to be empowered? And yet we already see that ‘The word of God was ALMIGHTY - SUPREME…’

101G said:

GINOLJC, to all,
.
need not to go any further.


yes, Jesus is God, but not a trinity. one in the SAME person who made all things. scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

now, if Jesus is not the "LORD" all capitalization here, then you have two separate Gods that "MADE ALL THINGS". because God by Isaiah his prophet said here in Isaiah 44:24 that A. he was "ALONE", meaning no one else present. and B. "BY HIMSELF". again, saying that there was no one else is present. so, John 1:1c is correct.

now as far as the Word was "WITH" goes. meaning the Words was with God in the beginning, and as John 1:1c states, "the Word is God". LET THE BIBLE TEACH YOU

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD
Remember the "LORD", the Word, both titles are of the one person JESUS, Who MADE ALL THINGS, again reading John 1:3, and Isaiah 44:24. let's see if this is the SAME ONE PERSON. Listen CAREFULLY,

Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." the "LORD" who is the FIRST is "WITH" the LAST, correct, just as John 1:1 the Word "WITH" God.... Correct, now this,

Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." HOLD IT, did not Isaiah 41:4 say thew First was ..... "WITH" ..... the Last, and now here the First AND the Last is the same one person.... but hold on it gets better,

Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." ALSO, indicate the SAME ONE PERSON. this is God speaking, the BIBLE, not 101G, so don't argue with 101G, ok, argue with God.

101G

ps we suggest one re-read Isaiah 41:4, Isaiah 44:6, and Isaiah 48:12, then one can understand John 1:1-3

Click to expand...

‘First and Last’ simply means ‘Only’.

Surely that is easy enough to understand!

If there is only one of anything then that thing is the first, and it is the last… it is the only one of that thing.

Jesus Christ is called ‘The Last Adam’ because no other of mankind (holy and sinless) would ever again be created by God.

But if Jesus is the last, who was the first - Jesus is not called, ‘The first Adam’ - but only ‘The Last’.

Who was ‘the first Adam’?

Soapy said:

In the beginning God spoke a ‘word’ that initiated the creation of the material world.

What was that ‘word’ that God spoke?

And God spoke another word and another word and another word… and all that was created was created by that word that God spoke - That word was an almighty word that could not be resisted - what God spoke must come to be.

‘That word was God’:

• That word was Almighty
• That word was irresistible
• That word was monumental
• That word was glorious
• That word was majestic
• That word was all powerful

So, to me, the word was ‘God’, all the above apply as what that word was - It was not claiming that the spoken word of God was YHWH, the deity God… indeed, linguistics does not tally with that notion: ‘God’ as a Title is not ‘God’ as a description/definition/meaning of the term, ‘God’.

‘And the word [the deity God spoke] was with God’:

• And the word was with mightiness, was with gloriousness, was with majesty, was with all power and authority, was with irresistibility word

What “God” (title of the deity) spoke must come to be: ‘To put flesh on the bones of your word’ - to put on flesh - to come true. This speaks of an act that was prophesied coming to fruition. It does not claim that ‘the word’ God spoke was a person but ‘of a person’ - the messiah.

So this ‘The word put on flesh’ is not speaking about the word being a glorious majestic monumental person but rather that God’s spoken word was such - and God’s word must put on flesh.

Taking into account that [the deity] God [Yhwh] spoke the word that created all things, and that ‘God’ as a definition means something of almighty greatness, how would you interpret ‘The word was God’?

Click to expand...

the ineffable name isn't god


nehemiah 9:5

psalms 138:2

philippians 2:9


to be and the ineffable name is what you are baptized into


matthew 28:19

Soapy said:

In the beginning God spoke a ‘word’ that initiated the creation of the material world.

What was that ‘word’ that God spoke?

And God spoke another word and another word and another word… and all that was created was created by that word that God spoke - That word was an almighty word that could not be resisted - what God spoke must come to be.

‘That word was God’:

• That word was Almighty
• That word was irresistible
• That word was monumental
• That word was glorious
• That word was majestic
• That word was all powerful

So, to me, the word was ‘God’, all the above apply as what that word was - It was not claiming that the spoken word of God was YHWH, the deity God… indeed, linguistics does not tally with that notion: ‘God’ as a Title is not ‘God’ as a description/definition/meaning of the term, ‘God’.

‘And the word [the deity God spoke] was with God’:

• And the word was with mightiness, was with gloriousness, was with majesty, was with all power and authority, was with irresistibility word

What “God” (title of the deity) spoke must come to be: ‘To put flesh on the bones of your word’ - to put on flesh - to come true. This speaks of an act that was prophesied coming to fruition. It does not claim that ‘the word’ God spoke was a person but ‘of a person’ - the messiah.

So this ‘The word put on flesh’ is not speaking about the word being a glorious majestic monumental person but rather that God’s spoken word was such - and God’s word must put on flesh.

Taking into account that [the deity] God [Yhwh] spoke the word that created all things, and that ‘God’ as a definition means something of almighty greatness, how would you interpret ‘The word was God’?

Click to expand...

I agree with what you seem to say that God our Father spoke himself into physical existence / form.
One way a person could look at it with a better understanding is the Word of God is a "exact clone" of God our Father in physical form who has life within himself. He cloned himself into material existence.
That is how the Word was with God (in God) and the Word was God (of God) and the same was in the beginning with God (one whole split in two)

Soapy said:

I think I see what you are trying to say. But remember that the post is about ‘The Word’ of God as in John 1:1.

Click to expand...

I don't think you do. the Word of God is God himself...... and the Word was made flesh, as John and Philippians 2:6 clearly states, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

question, do God have an "EQUAL?" YES, "WITH" him, but not "TO" him.
so no, you're not understanding what I'm saying.

Soapy said:

If you take ‘God’ to mean ‘the echad Deity of the Jews’ and you read verse 2 as ‘He was in the beginning WITH GOD’ then do you see that the sentence is a statement of TWO PERSONS … one of whom is the echad God and the other (‘He’) was WITH the echad God… So we are back to trying to define or establish:

Click to expand...

I see you don't understand. Jesus is YHWH, correct, Now listen carefully.
did Jesus the Christ, the son. MAKE ALL THINGS yes or no?

your answer please,

101G.

Soapy said:

‘First and Last’ simply means ‘Only’.

Click to expand...

ERROR, not in a numerical sense. First and Last in Ordinal Designation is a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, is the "ECHAD" of .... ONLY "ONE" PERSON.

Soapy said:

Surely that is easy enough to understand!

Click to expand...

do you really understand the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, is the "ECHAD" of ONE PERSON?

Soapy said:

Jesus Christ is called ‘The Last Adam’ because no other of mankind (holy and sinless) would ever again be created by God.

But if Jesus is the last, who was the first - Jesus is not called, ‘The first Adam’ - but only ‘The Last’.

Who was ‘the first Adam’?

Click to expand...

one ANSWER, GOD, who is Jesus. where do you think the IMAGE... MAN come from? every Image has a source...... (smile)
now Christ Jesus is the Last Adam because all mankind is in him. this is why we must be BORN AGAIN.

the FIRST Adam is to come in the end times... not yet manifested. supportive Scripture, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" BINGO.
understand, the Adam Formed from the Dust is only an "IMAGE" of the TRUE man, the Source of man...... God.

remember, Adam is only a CREATION of God, ..... this is not the REAL WORLD we live in, but a CREATED ONE. we're only the IMAGE of God, not the TRUE, REAL MAN. didn't you know that?

101G.

Soapy said:

What was that ‘word’ that God spoke?

Click to expand...

OM

or

AUM

the spelling...

Soapy said:

‘In the beginning God spoke a word that brought creation into existence… that word was with mightiness, and all powerfulness - that word of creation was almighty’:

• ‘Let there be light!’
• “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,” (Isaiah 42:44)

The name ‘LORD’ is really ‘YHWH’. So for those who say that the word of God is Jesus this verse would be saying that Jesus YHWH. Do you agree?

That saying, if we put it that Jesus is YHWH then we have:

• ‘In the beginning was YHWH, and YHWH was with God, and YHWH was God. YHWH was in the beginning with God’

Do you agree?

Or who do you say YHWH is?
Remember that it was YHWH’s word (His almighty and majestic utterance) that created all things and He says that He Alone create all things.

Is YHWH Jesus?

Is YHWH word, Jesus?

Is Jesus, YHWH’s word?

Is YHWH, the Father… afterall, ‘Father’ means ‘Creator’!!

Click to expand...

Yes, Jesus is YHWH.
Jesus is the Creator according to the scriptures…

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:16-17


Jesus is the Son, not the Father. Yet, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were all in agreement and involved with creation (Genesis 1) though the Son, as the Word, spoke creation into existence.

101G said:

I don't think you do. the Word of God is God himself...... and the Word was made flesh, as John and Philippians 2:6 clearly states, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

question, do God have an "EQUAL?" YES, "WITH" him, but not "TO" him.
so no, you're not understanding what I'm saying.

I see you don't understand. Jesus is YHWH, correct, Now listen carefully.
did Jesus the Christ, the son. MAKE ALL THINGS yes or no?

your answer please,

101G.

Click to expand...

Actually, 101G, I was joking saying I ‘think’ I understand what you were saying…. It’s a kiss off term when you think someone is talking bull but you want to continue a dialogue with them without being openly rude! Try it next time you disagree with someone but don’t want to say so!

You say that God is equal to God… well, I think I understand what you are saying! However…

For Jesus to be ALSO GOD or EQUAL TO GOD then don’t you think that would entail there being already a person called God for him to be EQUAL to?

And the scriptures says that GOD SENT JESUS… and further, Jesus himself (?!!??) says that GOD SENT HIM…

And, if Jesus is God, what happened when Jesus DIED and was resurrected BY GOD (who is eternally alive):

• ‘I am he who was dead, but am now alive forevermore’

Do you notice that Jesus is only ‘eternally alive’ AFTER he was resurrected by the living God…? So, are there two Gods: one that was able to die and another that is eternally living?

syo said:

OM

or

AUM

the spelling...

Click to expand...

What do those words mean?

101G said:

I don't think you do. the Word of God is God himself...... and the Word was made flesh, as John and Philippians 2:6 clearly states, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

question, do God have an "EQUAL?" YES, "WITH" him, but not "TO" him.
so no, you're not understanding what I'm saying.

I see you don't understand. Jesus is YHWH, correct, Now listen carefully.
did Jesus the Christ, the son. MAKE ALL THINGS yes or no?

your answer please,

101G.

Click to expand...

No! Jesus was not in existence when GOD created all things by the power of his utterance beginning with:

• ‘Let there be light!’

followed by others such as:

• ‘Let the waters be gathered ….’
• ‘Let the earth bring forth…’

Culminating in:

• Empowering man to be created in HIS image to be ruler over creation just as He is ruler over the Spirit world

Do you notice that Jesus BECOMES the ruler over creation at the end of time?

What is God STILL ruler over?

101G said:

ERROR, not in a numerical sense. First and Last in Ordinal Designation is a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, is the "ECHAD" of .... ONLY "ONE" PERSON.

do you really understand the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, is the "ECHAD" of ONE PERSON?

one ANSWER, GOD, who is Jesus. where do you think the IMAGE... MAN come from? every Image has a source...... (smile)
now Christ Jesus is the Last Adam because all mankind is in him. this is why we must be BORN AGAIN.

the FIRST Adam is to come in the end times... not yet manifested. supportive Scripture, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" BINGO.
understand, the Adam Formed from the Dust is only an "IMAGE" of the TRUE man, the Source of man...... God.

remember, Adam is only a CREATION of God, ..... this is not the REAL WORLD we live in, but a CREATED ONE. we're only the IMAGE of God, not the TRUE, REAL MAN. didn't you know that?

101G.

Click to expand...

Jesus is titled, ‘the last Adam’ BECAUSE he was born in the same way that the FIRST ADAM was born:

• BY THE INSPIRITING OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD:
  • And GOD blew the breath of life into the nostrils of the man and he BECAME A LIVING SOUL
• AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD WILL OVERSHADOW THE VIRGIN AND THE CHILD TO BE BORN WILL BE HOLY AND WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD

Adam, the first man, was also holy, and Son of God… until he sinned. That’s why there had to be a second. God, throughout the ages after Adam sinned, sought a man who would be sinless in his eyes… many came close: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, … but none was able to comply. David was the closest, and for that God made him King of Israel and even after David did sin, God ESTABLISHED his throne for eternity such that JESUS would take his seat on it AT THE END OF TIME.

So this tells us that the eternal throne is designated FOR A HUMAN RULER…

But you say that Jesus is Almighty God!

Why would almighty GOD take a seat on a human throne when He is RULER over a HUGELY GREATER KINGDOM OF HEAVEN?

If a man says I sought gods power.

Then I have to speak words that explain how I get power from god.

If you take gods flesh energy dusts you begin a reaction not Jesus...yet you used Phi. Phi said men I calculated. Yet calculation is not their end. As reactions stopping reactions using resources you wanted as energy is hence the end.

When you end it.

Phi wasn't the beginning and phi wasn't the end.

Sacrifice of the body was the end.

So if you remove it first and once it's gone. It's gone. What sacrifice means.

As God didn't speak. Men did.

Reasoned. Garden doesn't speak. When it was created it was living.

Men lie. Is part of being a scientist.

It's why you destroyed life as you aren't God. Pretty basic.

InChrist said:

Yes, Jesus is YHWH.
Jesus is the Creator according to the scriptures…

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:16-17


Jesus is the Son, not the Father. Yet, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were all in agreement and involved with creation (Genesis 1) though the Son, as the Word, spoke creation into existence.

Click to expand...

So you are saying that it was THE SON who spoke creation into existence?

What does the title ‘FATHER’, mean?
Isn’t it:

• ‘He that gives life..’
• ‘He that CREATES..’
• ‘He that BRINGS INTO BEING…’

Think of:

• ‘The Father of the internet’ - Tim Burners-Lee
• ‘The Father of wickedness’ - The angel called Satan
• ‘The Father of Psychology’ - Clement Freud
• ‘The Father of the Israelites’ - Jacob

So why then is Jesus not called ‘Father’, instead of ‘Son’… afterall, isn’t a SON in subjection to his Father… as Jesus is in subjection to GOD?

• ‘The Father loves me because I always do what the Father shows me to do’. Jesus can only do righteously what GOD SHOWS HIM TO DO!

Think about that for a while and then answer!

O mass in space. Held energy in one place man in science. Was and is wanting to own hold energy himself in one place said....

G spin is phi ear and mass owns numbers TH. TH O TH God numbers.

Yet earth isn't Phi isn't any ear spiral.

So phi existed he said before God energy mass...but he lied.

As even in life a baby man son knows his father was exact complete was before him.

So he told a study why a man of science caused the human sacrifice of his life . Animals life...gardens body...ground sin mass hole.

Phi the reason.

As phi hadn't created. Mother womb Infinity space had. Cooled it. No beginning no end.

As sacrificing position body was still evolving into becoming itself. Phi never existed.

As man scientist today says I just want you to be reminded there is no circle in creation. It's just fused pressurised holding.

GINOLJC, to all,

Soapy said:

Actually, 101G, I was joking saying I ‘think’ I understand what you were saying…. It’s a kiss off term when you think someone is talking bull but you want to continue a dialogue with them without being openly rude! Try it next time you disagree with someone but don’t want to say so!

Click to expand...

First, thanks for the reply, second, you nor I is that friendly or close to be KISSING off each other..... (smile), lol, lol, lol. so next time if you disagree with what 101G says, come rude, and we still can continue our dialogue, because 101G don't talk bull..... but bible. (smile). try that next time. ok

Soapy said:

You say that God is equal to God… well, I think I understand what you are saying! However…

Click to expand...

again no you don't. 101G never said God is equal "TO" God. listen to what 101G said, God is EQUAL "WITH" himself in the ECHAD. now if you still think 101G said "God is Equal TO God". find that post and 101G will correct it.

Soapy said:

For Jesus to be ALSO GOD or EQUAL TO GOD then don’t you think that would entail there being already a person called God for him to be EQUAL to?

Click to expand...

again, EQUAL "WITH", get that Equal "TO" nonsense out of your head. that what make you think that there is a separate God, no "WITH" meaning an ECHAD of NUNERICAL DIFFRENCE, better known as "FIRST, and LAST, which are Ordinal Designations. THIS IS JUST TOO EASY NOT TO UNDERSTAND.

Soapy said:

And the scriptures says that GOD SENT JESUS… and further, Jesus himself (?!!??) says that GOD SENT HIM…

Click to expand...

sending his word is nothing new, Isaiah 55:11 "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."
HIS WORD IS NOW "MANIFESTED" IN FLESH. just as his wisdom and sent forth into the world. 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." is not the ARM of God the POWER of God? did he not send his "OWN ARM?" Listen, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." and is not the Wisdom of God, the LIGHT in Genesis 1:3 ,,, PERSONIFIED in Flesh, that ARM of his? ... Just read Isaiah chapter 53. my God this is just too easy not to understand.

Soapy said:

And, if Jesus is God, what happened when Jesus DIED and was resurrected BY GOD (who is eternally alive):

Click to expand...

answer, NOTHING ... at the DEATH of, of, of, his, his, his, flesh. for the death of the Flesh is the First death. remember, God, the Word was made flesh, read John 1:14. THIS IS BASIC BIBLE STUDY, you should already know that. then you said, "when Jesus DIED and was resurrected BY GOD (who is eternally alive)" answer JESUS himself, YOU BETTER RE-READ John 2:18-22, and pay special attention to verse 19 ..... (smile)
THEN YOU AGAIN SAID, "BY GOD (who is eternally alive)". did the spirit die? no, not in the First DEATH, only the FLESH DIES. listen and learn, James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." so, what is DEAD? the Body, the Body, the Body, not the spirit. and in the resurrection what is brought to life? *is it the spirit, or the body?). that's right the body that DIED/ my God soapy, again, this is basic bible study, you should already know this.

understand, the life of the flesh is in the blood. see Leviticus 17:11. and when that Body of, of, of, the Lord Jesus lost the blood on the cross, it the body, died. not the spirit that is in it. only his body died, which Identifies, him in this CREATED WORLD. for the body without the spirit is DEAD. other words DEAD to this World...... you're no longer among the .... NATURAL LIVING in this CREATED WORLD....... YIKES!
you also asked, "what happened when Jesus DIED". the correct question should be, "what happened when Jesus BODY DIED". that's a whole subject by itself. just a hint, his fleshly death released the full power of God in a body that has Intrinsic Spatial. Oh this is just too good.

Soapy said:

Do you notice that Jesus is only ‘eternally alive’ AFTER he was resurrected by the living God…? So, are there two Gods: one that was able to die and another that is eternally living?

Click to expand...

another ERROR on your part, the Lord Jesus has always been eternally alive.in spirit. who do you think went and preached to the spirits in prison? ..... while his, his, his, DEAD BODY was still in the Tomb........ hello, are we getting this.

now before we move on to your other replies, let's discuss this post, and just might answer your other posts also.

101G.

SDavis said:

I agree with what you seem to say that God our Father spoke himself into physical existence / form.
One way a person could look at it with a better understanding is the Word of God is a "exact clone" of God our Father in physical form who has life within himself. He cloned himself into material existence.
That is how the Word was with God (in God) and the Word was God (of God) and the same was in the beginning with God (one whole split in two)

Click to expand...

I do not agree that I said that God spoke himself into existence.

101G said:

GINOLJC, to all,

First, thanks for the reply, second, you nor I is that friendly or close to be KISSING off each other..... (smile), lol, lol, lol. so next time if you disagree with what 101G says, come rude, and we still can continue our dialogue, because 101G don't talk bull..... but bible. (smile). try that next time. ok

again no you don't. 101G never said God is equal "TO" God. listen to what 101G said, God is EQUAL "WITH" himself in the ECHAD. now if you still think 101G said "God is Equal TO God". find that post and 101G will correct it.

again, EQUAL "WITH", get that Equal "TO" nonsense out of your head. that what make you think that there is a separate God, no "WITH" meaning an ECHAD of NUNERICAL DIFFRENCE, better known as "FIRST, and LAST, which are Ordinal Designations. THIS IS JUST TOO EASY NOT TO UNDERSTAND.

sending his word is nothing new, Isaiah 55:11 "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."
HIS WORD IS NOW "MANIFESTED" IN FLESH. just as his wisdom and sent forth into the world. 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." is not the ARM of God the POWER of God? did he not send his "OWN ARM?" Listen, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." and is not the Wisdom of God, the LIGHT in Genesis 1:3 ,,, PERSONIFIED in Flesh, that ARM of his? ... Just read Isaiah chapter 53. my God this is just too easy not to understand.

answer, NOTHING ... at the DEATH of, of, of, his, his, his, flesh. for the death of the Flesh is the First death. remember, God, the Word was made flesh, read John 1:14. THIS IS BASIC BIBLE STUDY, you should already know that. then you said, "when Jesus DIED and was resurrected BY GOD (who is eternally alive)" answer JESUS himself, YOU BETTER RE-READ John 2:18-22, and pay special attention to verse 19 ..... (smile)
THEN YOU AGAIN SAID, "BY GOD (who is eternally alive)". did the spirit die? no, not in the First DEATH, only the FLESH DIES. listen and learn, James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." so, what is DEAD? the Body, the Body, the Body, not the spirit. and in the resurrection what is brought to life? *is it the spirit, or the body?). that's right the body that DIED/ my God soapy, again, this is basic bible study, you should already know this.

understand, the life of the flesh is in the blood. see Leviticus 17:11. and when that Body of, of, of, the Lord Jesus lost the blood on the cross, it the body, died. not the spirit that is in it. only his body died, which Identifies, him in this CREATED WORLD. for the body without the spirit is DEAD. other words DEAD to this World...... you're no longer among the .... NATURAL LIVING in this CREATED WORLD....... YIKES!
you also asked, "what happened when Jesus DIED". the correct question should be, "what happened when Jesus BODY DIED". that's a whole subject by itself. just a hint, his fleshly death released the full power of God in a body that has Intrinsic Spatial. Oh this is just too good.

another ERROR on your part, the Lord Jesus has always been eternally alive.in spirit. who do you think went and preached to the spirits in prison? ..... while his, his, his, DEAD BODY was still in the Tomb........ hello, are we getting this.

now before we move on to your other replies, let's discuss this post, and just might answer your other posts also.

101G.

Click to expand...

Firstly, ‘Kiss off’:

• “dismiss or reject someone or something abruptly… e.g. she should kiss off the criticism"

Next, I think that if you create your own god then do not expect anyone else to understand what you say about it.

I see you didn’t answer as to Jesus stating that he was dead… but only NOW is alive eternally. Any reason for that? Or if you missed it then can you answer now?

Ok, so you say Jesus is almighty God. Who is it that is seated on the throne and who is it that is standing in front of the throne envisioned as a slaughtered lamb (or lamb prepared for slaughter)?

Can I ask you to say what you interpret from Rev 4:2 to Rev 5:7 (it’s too long to reprint here).

To me, there are several types of persons mentioned. One is a glorious, radiant, bejewelled ruling entity seated on a throne.

Another are several (24) elders (Saints, I guess, humans from the earth) seated on their own lesser thrones prepared to be judges.

There are four ‘living creatures’ who, day and night, praise and glorify HIM WHO SAT ON THE THRONE.

The twenty four elders fall down in front of the throne of Him who sat on the throne and worship Him who sat on the throne. They also throw their crowns in front of HIM - which is a display of submissiveness and defeat to a greater ruling king. They offer to HIM on the throne saying:

• “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.” (Rev 4:11)

The worship is toward HIM who sat on the throne - and the glorification is to acknowledge that HIM WHO SAT ON the THRONE is He who created all things.

So, at this point you would say that it is Jesus Christ who is HE WHO IS SEATED ON THE THRONE, yes?

Would you also say that it was ALMIGHTY GOD who was seated on the throne?

Well, I’m not agreeing but let’s move forward: The one seated on the throne has a scroll in His hand which he asked via a mighty angel to be opened but no one of the riders or anyone else there could open.

But then, one of the elders points out that there is ANOTHER PERSON there: The Lion of Judah, the root of David… looking like a lamb prepared for slaughter. This person is STANDING in the front and centre of the throne of HIM who sat on the throne. This person is IN CENTRE FRONT of the throne [of the mighty God]… and, he had the seven spirits of God [on his head, I guess] which symbolise that he is the ANOINTED ONE OF GOD… The Christ of God!

Finally, for this question, the lamb, looking as though slaughtered, went and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne…

So, are you still saying to me that it is BOTH Jesus Christ seated on the great throne - AND Jesus Christ who is the LAMB as though slaughtered who took the scroll out of his own hand?

And, reading on, you will see that the lamb NEVER receives WORSHIP - but does receive Glory, Praise, and Honor from the elders, and from the millions of angels in Heaven.

Note that ‘Praise’, ‘Glory’, and ‘Honor’, ARE NOT WORSHIP… Even humankind glorify one another, even mankind honour one another, even mankind praise one another. But [are to] never Worship one another.

Soapy said:

I think that if you create your own god then do not expect anyone else to understand what you say about it.

Click to expand...

ERROR, it's been in the bible all the time. no need to create anyone or anything. just because you now have heard the TRUTH for the first time, yes, it's shocking at first. but as the Lord Jesus has always said .... "FEAR NOT".

now, for one's IGNORANCE. if one do not understand something, the correct course of action is to ask QUESTIONS.

Soapy said:

I see you didn’t answer as to Jesus stating that he was dead…

Click to expand...

did you not read my reply? I answered you ..... but must did not understand.

Soapy said:

Ok, so you say Jesus is almighty God. Who is it that is seated on the throne and who is it that is standing in front of the throne envisioned as a slaughtered lamb (or lamb prepared for slaughter)?

Click to expand...

The same person, JESUS in the ECHAD of First and Last, you didn't understand that?

let's stop here for a second and get it Right. Jesus as Father STANDS in front of the Throne.... (THE ROOT, the Ordinal First), and he also sits on the throne as the ordinal Last, the Son. yes, the "ECHAD" is in perfect view.

now, if you think that it's the Father who sits on the throne. I have one question for you, "who gave the Father POWER?". supportive scripture, back up one chapter, Revelation 4:9 "And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever," Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

now if you still think that the Father sits on the throne, then post book, chapter, and verse as to who is more powerful that the Father to give him power. when you do that then we can move forward.

now, I have scripture to the effect where that the Son Received power, but not the Father.

I'll be looking for your ANSWER.

101G.