Wildswanderer
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You can't get there from here then. You can't get from a single cell organism to all the diversity of life that exists.
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Evolution is the only theologically plausible answer
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Wildswanderer
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Something started everything and yes there are those here claiming it was chemistry alone.Did you go to high school?
Chemical reactions don't create molecules from "nothing". What an absurd thing to say.
Chemical reaction is not the process of molecules popping into existence out of nowhere.
It's the binding of already existing atoms / molecules into other molecules.
Again: nobody here said that chemistry creates things "from nothing".
That's just a blatant strawman on your part.
Wildswanderer
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Read raccoon guys posts.
Wildswanderer
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By pretending that the impossible is possible?
Wildswanderer
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Science is observation. No observation, no science only guess work.
Wildswanderer
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Art, philosophy, religion, written language, computers, houses, cars and on and on.
Wildswanderer
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The puzzle has a creator.You are right. This might be a picture of a famous sea battle. Who knows?
SkepticThinker
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And there are many different varieties of felines and canines, aren't there? And they are all demonstrably related.
What did you expect? That a feline would one day turn onto a canine? Or that a cat would one day give birth to a dog? That's silly and not how evolution works.
SkepticThinker
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This is gibberish.
The theory of evolution deals with life once it already exists. It's not meant to explain how life began, and it doesn't deal with the origins of life, which is a different field of study, though related in some ways.
If it is "illogical to suggest that something had no cause," then your assertion that God has no cause is illogical. Thanks for playing.
That doesn't prove your claim about a "rulemaker" that created chemistry and it doesn't get you anywhere near god(s).
SkepticThinker
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Wildswanderer
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Exactly. Adaptations and evolution from nothing to extreme diversity are two very different things.
SkepticThinker
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They're not. Calling it something else doesn't make it something else.
And again, creationists are the ones claiming something comes from nothing. Not anybody else. You keep ignoring this and attempting to project it onto others.
If you expect to see a cat give birth to a dog, then you are telling us you do not understand evolution.
Wildswanderer
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Nonsense.
biology, abiogenesis (from a- 'not' + Greek bios 'life' + genesis 'origin') or the origin of life is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds. The prevailing scientific hypothesis is that the transition from non-living to living entities on Earth was not a single event, but an evolutionary process (i.e., a process of gradually increasing complexity) that involved the formation of a habitable planet, the prebiotic synthesis of organic molecules, molecular self-replication, self-assembly, autocatalysis, and the emergence of cell membranes.
Subduction Zone
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You still do not know how analogies work after all of this time. That is rather sad. But thanks for admitting that you were wrong.
Subduction Zone
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No claim of "something from nothing" there.
Subduction Zone
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That is odd. There is more evidence for that than there is for gravity. Next thing you know you are going to claim that the Earth will fly out of its orbit and rocks will be safe because people can no longer drop them on your head.
Subduction Zone
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Do you need a link? I can provide one.
Subduction Zone
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That does not prove God. Even if it is correct. The universe may have always existed in some form. But let's say that our universe began at the Big Bang. That only means that it had a beginning. It does not mean that a God had to create it. All we can say right now is that if there was a cause we do not know what it was. By the way, infinite regress is as much of a problem for theists as it is for atheists. Who made your God? If no one was needed then we can say the same about the universe.
One day, Tiktaalik would give birth to cats and dogs, via a few intermediate steps. Amazing what evolution can do when you first believe.
Subduction Zone
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"Belief" is not necessary. We have knowledge. And of course it would have been the distant offspring of Tiktaalik that eventually evolved into cats and dogs. Actually a rather close relation to Tiktaalik is more likely. Transitional does not mean ancestral.
By the way, as a Catholic why do you oppose evolution? It is generally accepted by the Catholic Church . Your church finally learned its lesson from Galileo.