A discussion about death and what may follow.

URAVIP2ME said:

Sounds good that we should worry (think about) how we live because on Resurrection Day we would be that same person.
Since ' death ' stamps out the total complete asking price tag for our sins - Romans 6:23,7 - then what we do ' after ' we are resurrected will determine our everlasting life, eternal life or not.
The resurrected righteous should choose to remain righteous
The resurrected un-righteous should choose to become righteous - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
As far as the wicked are concerned they will be 'destroyed forever ' - Psalms 37:38; Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35
So, to worry/ think about how we live now will determine if we have a resurrection as being righteous or not.
Seems to me the resurrected righteous ones would have it easier to remain righteous.
So, yes, I think we should all consider about how we live now.
Not just because of the Resurrection Promise, but if still alive on Earth as Jesus' coming Glory Time (Matthew 25:31-34,37) we can be counted as being one of the figurative ' sheep ' of verse 37.

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It should be noted that what you described are your beliefs based on your personal understanding of the Bible. And I think it is worth noting that there are other Christians who believe differently than you about what the Bible teaches will happen in the spirit world.

URAVIP2ME said:

Sounds good that we should worry (think about) how we live because on Resurrection Day we would be that same person.
Since ' death ' stamps out the total complete asking price tag for our sins - Romans 6:23,7 - then what we do ' after ' we are resurrected will determine our everlasting life, eternal life or not.
The resurrected righteous should choose to remain righteous
The resurrected un-righteous should choose to become righteous - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
As far as the wicked are concerned they will be 'destroyed forever ' - Psalms 37:38; Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35
So, to worry/ think about how we live now will determine if we have a resurrection as being righteous or not.
Seems to me the resurrected righteous ones would have it easier to remain righteous.
So, yes, I think we should all consider about how we live now.
Not just because of the Resurrection Promise, but if still alive on Earth as Jesus' coming Glory Time (Matthew 25:31-34,37) we can be counted as being one of the figurative ' sheep ' of verse 37.

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I believe that we are already living in Resurrection Day, which is an era which has now begun and will last as long as the present world cycle continues, and will continue when all traces of the present civilization will have been wiped off the surface of the globe.


The full explanation is on this link The Great Resurrection

I do not believe that anyone's physical body is going to get resurrected and live on earth forever.
What I believe is meant by the resurrection is that when our body dies, our spirit (soul) is resurrected and passes from one world into another. After our spirit is resurrected it continues to live forever. Please note that on the context of the afterlife the words spirit and soul have the same meaning.


What the Christian above wrote above is congruent with the Bible. The physical body returns to the earth and the spirit returns to God, who resides in the spiritual world.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The death of man is merely his soul passing from one world into another. When the soul passes from this world into the spiritual world it takes on a new form comprised of spiritual elements and the man continues to live forever.

@Trailblazer,

Please remind me how the Baha'i faith accounts for human spirits who have not yet crossed over into the spirit world. Based on my knowledge and experiences as a psychic medium, I believe that the following factors contribute to why there are earthbound spirits: (1) There are spirits who don’t realize that they are dead because they died unexpectedly and are now confused and don't understand what is happening to them; (2) They are upset and scared about dying unexpectedly and are in denial; (3) They have some unfinished business, such as wanting to let their loved ones know that they are okay or feeling obligated to watch over their loved ones; (4) They are angry and are seeking justice or retribution against the person or persons who took their life; and (5) They prefer to be around living people because they miss being alive or because they thrive and "feed on" the positive or negative emotions of the living.

Personally, I believe that some human spirits can choose to cross over or remain earthbound, whereas others become trapped in the physical world and require the assistance of a psychic medium to cross over into the spirit world. As a medium, I have persuaded earthbound spirits to cross over, so I'm convinced that if a human spirit is unaware of their death and is confused or refuses to cross over, the spirit can become trapped in the physical world and will need the assistance of a psychic medium to cross over into the spirit world. And, based on my knowledge and experiences as a psychic medium, I believe that a human spirit's experience in the afterlife can be influenced by how the spirit reacts to death as well as the type of person the spirit was when they were alive. For example, if a person was kind and emphatic in life, they will continue to be so in the afterlife. If a person was hateful while alive, they will remain so after death. I've been interacting with these spirits for the last fifteen years, and these experiences have convinced me that a person's character in this life can carry over into the afterlife and determine what their experience will be in the spirit world.

My beliefs about earthbound spirits and the afterlife are founded on my forty-three years of experience as a psychic medium, the last fifteen of which I have spent as a practicing medium and as an experienced paranormal investigator. The evidence of paranormal phenomena that I've documented or that was documented by other paranormal investigators who I either personally know or believe to be honest in their investigations has, in my opinion, validated my beliefs about the afterlife and my experiences as a medium.

I know that others will strongly disagree with us that there are earthbound spirits everywhere, but as a medium and paranormal investigator, I can say with genuine certainty that I believe it is true. And I don't say that without providing evidence to back up my claim, which I've personally documented and posted in several threads in the Paranormal Activities sub-forum, as well as comments in other threads about my personal experiences as a psychic medium (read here and here) and paranormal investigator (read here).

For the record, I've spent a little over a year posting on RF about my experiences in both my own threads (see here as an example) and comments in other threads (see here as an example). I've also shared the stories of the first human spirit I saw when I was six years old (read here), knowing when my loved ones passed away (read here), the tragic death of a friend (read here), and the first reading that I ever gave as a medium (read here). I've also taken part in a séance where I gave a reading to a former friend and a small group of her friends (read here), but it resulted in a problem for me (read here), and I resolved never to participate in another one.

Sgt. Pepper said:

@Trailblazer,

Please remind me how the Baha'i faith accounts for human spirits who have not yet crossed over into the spirit world.

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The Baha'i Faith does not address this. The teaching is that we all cross over to the spiritual world when we die, but I think that is a vague generality, and like so many scriptures does not allow for differences and special exceptions.

Also, Baha'u'llah did not go into any detail about the afterlife and He gave the reason for that.

“Know thou that every hearing ear, if kept pure and undefiled, must, at all times and from every direction, hearken to the voice that uttereth these holy words: “Verily, we are God’s, and to Him shall we return.” The mysteries of man’s physical death and of his return have not been divulged, and still remain unread. By the righteousness of God! Were they to be revealed, they would evoke such fear and sorrow that some would perish, while others would be so filled with gladness as to wish for death, and beseech, with unceasing longing, the one true God—exalted be His glory—to hasten their end.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 345

Perhaps the souls for whom knowing about the afterlife would evoke fear and sorrow are the tormented earthbound souls who need help crossing over to the spiritual world as well as those souls in the first spiritual sphere who are still attached to the things of the earth.

According to The Afterlife Revealed, the first sphere is filled with earthbound souls, those souls who have not entered the spiritual world, and the second sphere, which is the first spiritual sphere, is the abode of those spirits whose desires are low and sensuous.

"Martha reiterated much of what her brother had heard from their father and from Maria. She mentioned that the
second sphere, or first spiritual sphere, is the abode of those spirits whose desires are low and sensuous. They maintain interests in the things that attracted them on earth until their moral faculties become strengthened. Each individual in the spirit world, she explained, is judged and suffers according to the deeds done in the body."
(The Afterlife Revealed, p. 114)

"The first three spheres are near about your earth," Imperator communicated. They are filled thus. The first with those who, from many causes, are attracted to earth. Such are they who have made little progress in the earth sphere; not the wholly bad, but the vacillating, aimless souls who have frittered away their opportunities and made no use of them. Those, again, whom the affections and affinity for pursuits of their friends restrain them from soaring, and who prefer to remain near the earth sphere, though they might progress."
(The Afterlife Revealed, p. 115)

"According as the soul moulds itself while in the body, so it decides the place to which it must go on leaving the body. Those who simply live in the physical senses find themselves exceedingly limited on leaving earth. We wish such people understood the facts, so that they might realize how fatally unwise and short-sighted is their manner of life."
(The Afterlife Revealed, p. 116)

Sgt. Pepper said:

And, based on my knowledge and experiences as a psychic medium, I believe that a human spirit's experience in the afterlife can be influenced by how the spirit reacts to death as well as the type of person the spirit was when they were alive. For example, if a person was kind and emphatic in life, they will continue to be so in the afterlife. If a person was hateful while alive, they will remain so after death. I've been interacting with these spirits for the last fifteen years, and these experiences have convinced me that a person's character in this life can carry over into the afterlife and determine what their experience will be in the spirit world.

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That is exactly what the Baha'i Faith teaches and book The Afterlife Revealed supports those teachings -- whatever we did in this world, what we have become, we take it with us to the spiritual world.

Sgt. Pepper said:

I know that others will strongly disagree with us that there are earthbound spirits everywhere, but as a medium and paranormal investigator, I can say with genuine certainty that I believe it is true. And I don't say that without providing evidence to back up my claim, which I've personally documented and posted in several threads in the Paranormal Activities sub-forum, as well as comments in other threads about my personal experiences as a psychic medium (read here and here) and paranormal investigator (read here).

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I do not have to see those spirits to know that they exist. Can you imagine if ordinary people saw them and heard them as you do? I don't think most people could deal with that. That is why there are psychic mediums who can. I know how difficult that must be just from your descriptions but rest assured you provide an important service.

It makes sense to me that there are earthbound spirits everywhere since so many people living on earth are attached to this earth and earthly things, and that attachment will continue after they die physically, making them not want to move on to the spiritual world.

I know you are not a Christian anymore, but I like what the Bible says about loving our life in this world and the consequences of such, which is confirmed by spiritualism and the Baha'i Faith.

John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

Trailblazer said:

The Baha'i Faith does not address this. The teaching is that we all cross over to the spiritual world when we die, but I think that is a vague generality, and like so many scriptures does not allow for differences and special exceptions.

Also, Baha'u'llah did not go into any detail about the afterlife and He gave the reason for that.

“Know thou that every hearing ear, if kept pure and undefiled, must, at all times and from every direction, hearken to the voice that uttereth these holy words: “Verily, we are God’s, and to Him shall we return.” The mysteries of man’s physical death and of his return have not been divulged, and still remain unread. By the righteousness of God! Were they to be revealed, they would evoke such fear and sorrow that some would perish, while others would be so filled with gladness as to wish for death, and beseech, with unceasing longing, the one true God—exalted be His glory—to hasten their end.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 345

Perhaps the souls for whom knowing about the afterlife would evoke fear and sorrow are the tormented earthbound souls who need help crossing over to the spiritual world as well as those souls in the first spiritual sphere who are still attached to the things of the earth.

According to The Afterlife Revealed, the first sphere is filled with earthbound souls, those souls who have not entered the spiritual world, and the second sphere, which is the first spiritual sphere, is the abode of those spirits whose desires are low and sensuous.

"Martha reiterated much of what her brother had heard from their father and from Maria. She mentioned that the
second sphere, or first spiritual sphere, is the abode of those spirits whose desires are low and sensuous. They maintain interests in the things that attracted them on earth until their moral faculties become strengthened. Each individual in the spirit world, she explained, is judged and suffers according to the deeds done in the body."
(The Afterlife Revealed, p. 114)

"The first three spheres are near about your earth," Imperator communicated. They are filled thus. The first with those who, from many causes, are attracted to earth. Such are they who have made little progress in the earth sphere; not the wholly bad, but the vacillating, aimless souls who have frittered away their opportunities and made no use of them. Those, again, whom the affections and affinity for pursuits of their friends restrain them from soaring, and who prefer to remain near the earth sphere, though they might progress."
(The Afterlife Revealed, p. 115)

"According as the soul moulds itself while in the body, so it decides the place to which it must go on leaving the body. Those who simply live in the physical senses find themselves exceedingly limited on leaving earth. We wish such people understood the facts, so that they might realize how fatally unwise and short-sighted is their manner of life."
(The Afterlife Revealed, p. 116)

That is exactly what the Baha'i Faith teaches and book The Afterlife Revealed supports those teachings -- whatever we did in this world, what we have become, we take it with us to the spiritual world.

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I think the information you shared is quite interesting, so thank you for posting it, my friend. I appreciate it.

Trailblazer said:

I do not have to see those spirits to know that they exist. Can you imagine if ordinary people saw them and heard them as you do? I don't think most people could deal with that. That is why there are psychic mediums who can. I know how difficult that must be just from your descriptions but rest assured you provide an important service.

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I can speak from years of personal experience that being a psychic medium is not for the faint of heart or the impatient. I also know from personal experience that having psychic abilities to communicate with and interact with human spirits can be both terrifying and mentally and physically exhausting at times. I have good days and bad days with these abilities. There are days when being a medium is very rough on me emotionally, but there are also days when it's been a positive experience. It's not like a light switch that I can flip on and off whenever I want, and there are times when I wish that I could turn it off. My dear husband once asked me, "You never get a break, do you?" I told him, "No, I don't." However, I have learned how to control my abilities, and I have adapted my life to them.

Trailblazer said:

It makes sense to me that there are earthbound spirits everywhere since so many people living on earth are attached to this earth and earthly things, and that attachment will continue after they die physically, making them not want to move on to the spiritual world.

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It is commonly believed among psychic mediums and paranormal investigators alike that human spirits can become attached to a physical location, such as their home, the place where they died, or their grave. They can also become attached to a special object that they owned when they were still alive, or they can attach themselves to a living person. As a medium, I also believe that is true.

Trailblazer said:

I know you are not a Christian anymore, but I like what the Bible says about loving our life in this world and the consequences of such, which is confirmed by spiritualism and the Baha'i Faith.

John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

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I've essentially dissociated the Bible from my beliefs as a spiritualist and a medium. As I've previously stated, I've had far too many personal encounters as a medium that clearly contradict what the Bible says about what happens to people after they die. I feel like it's dishonest for me to continue believing what the Bible says about the afterlife when I know from forty-three years of personal experiences that it isn't true. As a medium, I can interact and communicate with earthbound spirits. I can see them (visually and/or see a mental vision of them), hear them speak audibly and/or hear them speak when I have a mental vision of them, communicate with them and interact with them as I communicate and interact with the living, and as a sensitive, I can feel their presence as well as their emotions at the time. And, as a sensitive, I am capable of feeling a spirit's emotions of joy, elation, peace, fear, and despair. It's similar to how I experience varied sensations depending on the living person I am sensing. Generally speaking, I can sense within a couple of minutes of meeting someone if they are trustworthy or not, and I can tell by various feelings what kind of human spirit or entity I'm dealing with. I can also see the auras of people. That's what I experience as a medium, a sensitive, an empath, and an HSP.

Sand Dancer said:

I just put this on my reading list.

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I ordered the book last night, and I am really looking forward to reading it.

Sgt. Pepper said:

I ordered the book last night, and I am really looking forward to reading it.

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Let me know what you think and I will do the same.

Sand Dancer said:

Let me know what you think and I will do the same.

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Will do.

Sgt. Pepper said:

The thread "Who wants to live forever? Kushner does" inspired me to start this thread. However, my thread isn't about living forever but rather asking others what they think about death in general, whether they fear dying, and what they believe happens after death.

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Our life is so fragile. Today you are here tomorrow maybe not. We never know...