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JESUS, God, the Ordinal First and Last

101G

Well-Known Member
Exodus 3:15

15And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.
no, that was not what I asked, but anyway that not his name as to who he is.
listen and LEARN,
we know that, "I AM", is an emphatic verb, which is a name that describe what God is, so where did the Names Jehovah, and, Yahweh come from?. is not Jehovah in the bible?. So where did the names come from. these name came from, what is know as the tetragrammaton, and men tampered with it by adding vowels to these four letters. the tetragrammaton is a term from the Greek word, τετραγράμματον, meaning, "a word having four letters". It is the Hebrew written word, or four letters, (יהוה), Yodh, He, Waw, He, hence the translation into English, YHWH, or JHVH by some. these four letters, suppose to be the unpronounced name of God. and from these four letters come the man made names Yahweh, Hebrew, and Jehovah, English.

a name is an Identifier, as to what and, or who you are. we need to clarify the "Truth". Now the question is, what is God proper/PERSONAL name. is it Jehovah, English or Yahweh, in Hebrew. well it's neither, Jehovah, nor Yahweh. lets see how they derived those names from the tetragrammaton. The word "JEHOVAH" was formed by merging the three vowels (e, o, and a) into the Romanized (Latinized) four letter version JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. and the word "YAHWEH" was formed by merging the vowels (a, and e), into the four letter version to get, YaHWeH. so we have the English man made, and the Hebrew man made form of God's supposed unpronounced name. here is the mistake. they, (the translator), added vowels to the four letter consonant, to make up a name to pronounce. one can never add or take away from the WORD of God. they added vowels to give God a personal name, because they knew that YHWH is a verb, and not a noun. and because the suppose name was lost, which the Jews said was forbidden to pronounce, they made a guess at the name where pointers should be. this was a grave mistake on their part. when you add to the word of God you just put the spiritual noose around your neck. arbitrarily, the translators injected the vowels into the four letter consonant to come up with the names, "YaHWeH", and, "JeHoVaH",

all are pagan names.

101G.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
let's see if what you say is TRUE.
What I said about your lord being a spirit of division, not grace, and a spirit of half-truth at best is in post#234.
Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

see that word "vengeance" there in the verse. another word for vengeance is "WRATH" let's see this WRATH. and who is it from.

Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Lord here is God in flesh as a man,
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.
Compare: H136

now this same "Lord", only the L is in cap, because he is divine
is the same "Lord" in verse 5. Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his "wrath.", as said, another word for "vengeance" is "wrath.", and the Hebrew word or Lord here is the emphatic form of H113 in verse 1.
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]

KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113

well, well, well, the same Lord in Verse 1 is the same Lord in verse 5 which is the same Lord/God in Isaiah 35:4. or else you have two separate God(s), your choice.
None of this is relevent. Your lord, the one described named Jesus in the Christian bible is not the one spoken of in Isaiah 35, nor in Psalms 110. In order to pretend the contrary, you need to ignore a whole ton of scripture, and mistranslate.

You repeatedly ignore Psalms 110:4, which proves that Jesus is not the subject of this Psalm. Jesus was never ordained / decreed / blessed by Malchi-tzedek to be anything. Paul's convoluted attempt to make it fit is laughable on examination.

Lots of people are called "my lord" in the Hebrwe scripture. The most important is Abraham, because that's who is being spoke of in Psalms 110 verse 1.

Genesis 23:6, Is this verse talking about Jesus? Is it talking about God? Is it talking about YHVH? No, no, and no. In this verse "adoni" is Abraham.
שְׁמָעֵנוּ אֲדֹנִי נְשִׂיא אֱלֹהִים אַתָּה בְּתוֹכֵנוּ בְּמִבְחַר קְבָרֵינוּ קְבֹר אֶת־מֵתֶךָ אִישׁ מִמֶּנּוּ אֶת־קִבְרוֹ לֹֽא־יִכְלֶה מִמְּךָ מִקְּבֹר מֵתֶֽךָ
Hear us, my lord; you are a mighty prince among us; in the choice of our tombs bury your dead; none of us shall withhold from you his tomb, that you may bury your dead.
But it's not just in verse 6, Abraham is repeatedly referred to as "adoni" in this chapter. See verses 11 and 15:

לֹֽא־אֲדֹנִי שְׁמָעֵנִי הַשָּׂדֶה נָתַתִּי לָךְ וְהַמְּעָרָה אֲשֶׁר־בּוֹ לְךָ נְתַתִּיהָ לְעֵינֵי בְנֵֽי־עַמִּי נְתַתִּיהָ לָּךְ קְבֹר מֵתֶֽךָ
No, my lord, hear me; the field I give to you, and the cave that is in it, I give it to you; in the presence of the sons of my people I give it to you; bury your dead.

אֲדֹנִי שְׁמָעֵנִי אֶרֶץ אַרְבַּע מֵאֹת שֶֽׁקֶל־כֶּסֶף בֵּינִי וּבֵֽינְךָ מַה־הִוא וְאֶת־מֵֽתְךָ קְבֹֽר
My lord, listen to me; the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver. What is that between you and me? Bury therefore your dead.
The same thing happens earlier in Genesis 18:12. In this verse "adoni" is also Abraham. Not Jesus, not God, not YHVH, Abraham.

וַתִּצְחַק שָׂרָה בְּקִרְבָּהּ לֵאמֹר אַֽחֲרֵי בְלֹתִי הָֽיְתָה־לִּי עֶדְנָה וַֽאדֹנִי זָקֵֽן
Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am grown old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
The thing is, there are pages of examples of "adoni" NOT referring to God. I'll give a few more.

Genesis 24:18: "my lord" is Eliazer

וַתֹּאמֶר שְׁתֵה אֲדֹנִי וַתְּמַהֵר וַתֹּרֶד כַּדָּהּ עַל־יָדָהּ וַתַּשְׁקֵֽהוּ
And she said, Drink, my lord; and she hurried, and let down her water jar upon her hand, and gave him drink.
Genesis 24:27 is especially good because it clearly calls Abraham "adoni".

וַיֹּאמֶר בָּרוּךְ יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֵי אֲדֹנִי אַבְרָהָם אֲשֶׁר לֹֽא־עָזַב חַסְדּוֹ וַֽאֲמִתּוֹ מֵעִם אֲדֹנִי אָֽנֹכִי בַּדֶּרֶךְ נָחַנִי יְהֹוָה בֵּית אֲחֵי אֲדֹנִֽי
And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of my lord Abraham, who has not left destitute my master of his mercy and his truth; As for me, the Lord has guided me in the way to the house of my lord’s brothers.
Genesis 32:19: Esau is "my lord" / "adoni"

וְאָֽמַרְתָּ לְעַבְדְּךָ לְיַֽעֲקֹב מִנְחָה הִוא שְׁלוּחָה לַֽאדֹנִי לְעֵשָׂו וְהִנֵּה גַם־הוּא אַֽחֲרֵֽינוּ
Then you shall say, They are your servant Jacob’s; it is a present sent to my lord Esau; and, behold, also he is behind us.
Moving beyond Genesis... Exodus 11:28: Moses is "my lord" / "adoni"

וַיַּעַן יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בִּן־נוּן מְשָׁרֵת מֹשֶׁה מִבְּחֻרָיו וַיֹּאמַר אֲדֹנִי מֹשֶׁה כְּלָאֵֽם
And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, my lord Moses, forbid them.
Numbers 12:11: Moses is "my lord" / "adoni"

וַיֹּאמֶר אַֽהֲרֹן אֶל־מֹשֶׁה בִּי אֲדֹנִי אַל־נָא תָשֵׁת עָלֵינוּ חַטָּאת אֲשֶׁר נוֹאַלְנוּ וַֽאֲשֶׁר חָטָֽאנוּ
And Aaron said to Moses, Oh, my lord, I beg you, lay not the sin upon us, because we have done foolishly, and because we have sinned.
Numbers 36:2: This one is a good example because YHVH and adoni are both in the verse and they are CLEARLY NOT the same. "Adoni" is Moses, again. Not Jesus, Not God, Not YHVH, it's Moses.

וַיֹּֽאמְרוּ אֶת־אֲדֹנִי צִוָּה יְהֹוָה לָתֵת אֶת־הָאָרֶץ בְּנַֽחֲלָה בְּגוֹרָל לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל וַֽאדֹנִי צֻוָּה בַֽיהֹוָה לָתֵת אֶֽת־נַֽחֲלַת צְלָפְחָד אָחִינוּ לִבְנֹתָֽיו
And they said, this my lord, commanded YHVH to give the land for an inheritance by lot to the people of Israel; and my lord was commanded by YHVH to give the inheritance of Zelophehad our brother to his daughters.
What about the later books? Is this only limited to the 5 books of Moses? Nope. "adoni" / "my lord" continues to refer to humans, NOT Jesus, NOT God, NOT YHVH.

Judges 4:18: "adoni" / "my lord" is Sisera.

וַתֵּצֵא יָעֵל לִקְרַאת סִֽיסְרָא וַתֹּאמֶר אֵלָיו סוּרָה אֲדֹנִי סוּרָה אֵלַי אַל־תִּירָא וַיָּסַר אֵלֶיהָ הָאֹהֱלָה וַתְּכַסֵּהוּ בַּשְּׂמִיכָֽה​

And Yael went out to meet Sisera, and said to him, Turn in, my lord, turn in to me; fear not. And when he had turned in to her into the tent, she covered him with a mantle.​
1 Samuel 1:15: "adoni" / "my lord" is Eli.

וַתַּעַן חַנָּה וַתֹּאמֶר לֹא אֲדֹנִי אִשָּׁה קְשַׁת־רוּחַ אָנֹכִי וְיַיִן וְשֵׁכָר לֹא שָׁתִיתִי וָֽאֶשְׁפֹּךְ אֶת־נַפְשִׁי לִפְנֵי יְהֹוָֽה
And Hanna answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit; I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the Lord.

2 Samuel 11:11: "adoni" / "my lord" is Joab and King David, both.

וַיֹּאמֶר אוּרִיָּה אֶל־דָּוִד הָאָרוֹן וְיִשְׂרָאֵל וִֽיהוּדָה יֹֽשְׁבִים בַּסֻּכּוֹת וַאדֹנִי יוֹאָב וְעַבְדֵי אֲדֹנִי עַל־פְּנֵי הַשָּׂדֶה חֹנִים וַֽאֲנִי אָבוֹא אֶל־בֵּיתִי לֶאֱכֹל וְלִשְׁתּוֹת וְלִשְׁכַּב עִם־אִשְׁתִּי חַיֶּךָ וְחֵי נַפְשֶׁךָ אִם־אֶעֱשֶׂה אֶת־הַדָּבָר הַזֶּֽה
And Uriah said to David, The ark, and Israel, and Judah, remain in tents; and my lord Joab, and the servants of my lord, are encamped in the open fields; shall I then go into my house, to eat and to drink, and to lie with my wife? As you live, and as your soul lives, I will not do this thing.
So there you go. 13 examples proving that "adoni" is NOT the same as "Adonai".
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
now is it God who came and worked wonders. for in Isaiah 9:6 the term "Wonderful" means a miracle.
H6382 פֶּלֶא pele' (peh'-leh) n-m.
a miracle.
[from H6381]
KJV: marvellous thing, wonder(-ful, -fully).
Root(s): H6381
Again, Jesus never had any government on his shoulders, nor is he the prince of peace. He said "do not think I came to bring peace". Done. Isaiah 9:6 is a fail.
or is it a false prophet as .... Y...O...U... said. which one?
He is most assuredly a false prophet.

John 6:53-55

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.​

Leviticus 3:17

It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.​

Leviticus 7:27

Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
Leviticus 17:12

Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
Leviticus 17:14

For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.
Who is a false prophet?

Deuteronomy 13:1-5

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

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Jesus works wonders and says, you must drink my blood to live. The LORD says no Jew may drink blood, else you will be cut-off. The false prophet works wonders and turns Jews away from the LORD, away from the commandments, he is a false prophet per scripture. Jesus in the book of John is a false prophet. Not my opinion. Scripture.
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
no, that was not what I asked, but anyway that not his name as to who he is.
Asked and answered. God has commanded that he will be mentioned in 1 way through every generation.
we know that, "I AM", is an emphatic verb, which is a name that describe what God is, so where did the Names Jehovah, and, Yahweh come from?. is not Jehovah in the bible?. So where did the names come from. these name came from, what is know as the tetragrammaton, and men tampered with it by adding vowels to these four letters. the tetragrammaton is a term from the Greek word, τετραγράμματον, meaning, "a word having four letters". It is the Hebrew written word, or four letters, (יהוה), Yodh, He, Waw, He, hence the translation into English, YHWH, or JHVH by some. these four letters, suppose to be the unpronounced name of God. and from these four letters come the man made names Yahweh, Hebrew, and Jehovah, English.
None of this is relevant.
a name is an Identifier, as to what and, or who you are. we need to clarify the "Truth". Now the question is, what is God proper/PERSONAL name. is it Jehovah, English or Yahweh, in Hebrew. well it's neither, Jehovah, nor Yahweh. lets see how they derived those names from the tetragrammaton. The word "JEHOVAH" was formed by merging the three vowels (e, o, and a) into the Romanized (Latinized) four letter version JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. and the word "YAHWEH" was formed by merging the vowels (a, and e), into the four letter version to get, YaHWeH. so we have the English man made, and the Hebrew man made form of God's supposed unpronounced name. here is the mistake. they, (the translator), added vowels to the four letter consonant, to make up a name to pronounce. one can never add or take away from the WORD of God. they added vowels to give God a personal name, because they knew that YHWH is a verb, and not a noun. and because the suppose name was lost, which the Jews said was forbidden to pronounce, they made a guess at the name where pointers should be. this was a grave mistake on their part. when you add to the word of God you just put the spiritual noose around your neck. arbitrarily, the translators injected the vowels into the four letter consonant to come up with the names, "YaHWeH", and, "JeHoVaH",
who cares?
all are pagan names.
Including jesus.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
What I said about your lord being a spirit of division, not grace, and a spirit of half-truth at best is in post#234.
no I asked you concerning Isaiah 35:4 as to who came. you said a False prophet. so did your Hebrew tell you that? .... thought so.

None of this is relevent. Your lord, the one described named Jesus in the Christian bible is not the one spoken of in Isaiah 35, nor in Psalms 110. In order to pretend the contrary, you need to ignore a whole ton of scripture, and mistranslate.
then you have to Gods. because the Lord Jesus was speaking of himself concerning Psalms 110:1. Listen, Matthew 22:41 "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them," Matthew 22:42 "Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David." Matthew 22:43 "He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying," (LISTEN), Matthew 22:44 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?" Matthew 22:45 "If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?" Matthew 22:46 "And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."

this is the Christ David by the Spirit said is his Lord. so, is Christ, God in Flesh, is his Son, if so how so?
You repeatedly ignore Psalms 110:4, which proves that Jesus is not the subject of this Psalm. Jesus was never ordained / decreed / blessed by Malchi-tzedek to be anything. Paul's convoluted attempt to make it fit is laughable on examination.
Psalms 110:4 "The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."
is not the Christ the our HIGH PRIEST? in, Now, listen and learn something about Malchi-tzedek. Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."
so if he was MADE LIKE UNTO the Son of God, then the Son of God was before Malchi-tzedek. yes or no? your answer please.

I'll STOP here until I get your ANSWER. ...... (smile).

101G.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
no I asked you concerning Isaiah 35:4 as to who came. you said a False prophet. so did your Hebrew tell you that? .... thought so.
I quoted KJV scripture to prove it. You ignored it. Standard Operating Procedure for 101G.

Here it is again:

He is most assuredly a false prophet.

John 6:53-55

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Leviticus 3:17

It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.

Leviticus 7:27

Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
Leviticus 17:12

Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
Leviticus 17:14

For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.
Who is a false prophet?

Deuteronomy 13:1-5

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

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Jesus works wonders and says, you must drink my blood to live. The LORD says no Jew may drink blood, else you will be cut-off. The false prophet works wonders and turns Jews away from the LORD, away from the commandments, he is a false prophet per scripture. Jesus in the book of John is a false prophet. Not my opinion. Scripture.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
then you have to Gods. because the Lord Jesus was speaking of himself concerning Psalms 110:1. Listen, Matthew 22:41 "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them," Matthew 22:42 "Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David." Matthew 22:43 "He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying," (LISTEN), Matthew 22:44 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?" Matthew 22:45 "If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?" Matthew 22:46 "And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."
It doesn't matter what this says anymore than it matters what the Qur'an says.
this is the Christ David by the Spirit said is his Lord. so, is Christ, God in Flesh, is his Son, if so how so?
Grandiose delusions - Wikipedia

According to the DSM-IV-TR diagnostic criteria for delusional disorders, grandiose-type symptoms include exaggerated beliefs of:

  • self-worth
  • power[4]
  • knowledge
  • identity
  • exceptional relationship to a deity or famous person.[5]
There's your lord ^^ right there.
 

101G

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@dybmh, or anyone who disagrees that in Isaiah35:4 God came
None of this is relevent. Your lord, the one described named Jesus in the Christian bible is not the one spoken of in Isaiah 35, nor in Psalms 110. In order to pretend the contrary, you need to ignore a whole ton of scripture, and mistranslate.
ok, let's see if what you said is true. John 3:1 "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:" John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."

now if the Lord Jesus was a false prophet.... as some say. how come the RULERS of the Jews said, "Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."

if they knew why didn't they accept him? again, listen, "for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."
apparently this JESUS who is Christ was approved by God for God was with him, and came from God. these are Jews saying this about a supposed to be False Prophet? this was Jewish LEADERSHIP. (so God sends false prophets to his people, well do he?

the Lord Jesus did miracles that no ordinary man can do. for Isaiah was correct in what he said about the Christ. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

here the term "Wonderful" is the Hebrew word,
H6382 פֶּלֶא pele' (peh'-leh) n-m.
a miracle.
[from H6381]
KJV: marvellous thing, wonder(-ful, -fully).
Root(s): H6381

BINGO, there it is, miracle.. Matthew 9:32 "As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil." Matthew 9:33 "And when the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel." Matthew 9:34 "But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils."

lets' get the TRUTH,
Matthew 12:22 "Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw." Matthew 12:23 "And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?" Matthew 12:24 "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils." Matthew 12:25 "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:" Matthew 12:26 "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" Matthew 12:27 "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges." Matthew 12:28 "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you." Matthew 12:29 "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

if this Jesus is a false prophet then all the Jews have some soul searching to do.

101G.
 

101G

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John 6:53-55

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
do you understand what he was saying? do you think for one second that he is speaking of his literal flesh and blood? if you do you're very IGNORANT. now read my post above again

101G.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Psalms 110:4 "The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."
Nope, false translation!

Accurate translation:

4 The Lord swore and will not repent; you are a priest forever because of the speech of Malchizedek.

You know the word "davar" right? That's speech. Anyway.

is not the Christ the our HIGH PRIEST?
Nope, never ordained as a priest.
in, Now, listen and learn something about Malchi-tzedek. Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."
One of the dumbest things I've ever read. Quite a few people in the Hebrew bible have neither father, mother, no descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life. I gave you list before, but since you need it repeated Let's see if i can find it ... yup. Found it!

In Genesis Eliezer's lineage, birth, and death aren't given,
In Genesis Avimelech's lineage, birth, and death aren't given,
In Genesis Keturah's lineage, birth, and death aren't given,

Ashpenaz, the cheif of the enuchs in Daniel 1:3... so mysterious, only mentioned one time, no lineage, no birth, no death.

so if he was MADE LIKE UNTO the Son of God, then the Son of God was before Malchi-tzedek. yes or no? your answer please.

No. Malchi-tzedek's lack of lineage, birth, and death, in the text is meaningless. Paul's idea is bovine excrement. And none of that matters because Jesus wasn't a priest of any kind, much less a high priest. And more than that, the verse says "by the speech of Malchi-tzedek, not "after the order of" as if order is a group. It's not a group, it's a decree.
 

101G

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One of the dumbest things I've ever read. Quite a few people in the Hebrew bible have neither father, mother, no descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life. I gave you list before, but since you need it repeated Let's see if i can find it ... yup. Found it!
was any made like the son of God, post scripture please.

101G
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
do you understand what he was saying? do you think for one second that he is speaking of his literal flesh and blood? if you do you're very IGNORANT. now read my post above again

101G.
He says ( in Greek ) "Amen Amen" translated as verily, verily. That is swearing to heaven and earth that it is absolutley true. I understand, Jesus in John speaks in half-truths, like Paul, like the serpent.

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Now, read again Leviticus 7:27

Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.​

This isn't Hebrew. This is english in the KJV. Any manner of blood includes spiritual imaginary symbolic drinking blood rituals of any kind.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
was any made like the son of God, post scripture please.

The one you call the "son of God"? Sure!

Genesis 3:1 - Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
ok, let's see if what you said is true. John 3:1 "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:" John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."

now if the Lord Jesus was a false prophet.... as some say. how come the RULERS of the Jews said, "Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."
I already posted a list of lies in the Book of John, so these are probably not true either.
if they knew why didn't they accept him? again, listen, "for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."
apparently this JESUS who is Christ was approved by God for God was with him, and came from God. these are Jews saying this about a supposed to be False Prophet? this was Jewish LEADERSHIP. (so God sends false prophets to his people, well do he?
It's fiction.
the Lord Jesus did miracles that no ordinary man can do.
That's in the definition of a false prophet. Yes, the false prophet can do miracles. The egyptian sorcerers could work wonders too.
the Lord Jesus did miracles that no ordinary man can do. for Isaiah was correct in what he said about the Christ. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Not the prince of peace, nor had any government on his shoulders. Great, you picked out one word from a prophecy. I guess a partial / shadow messiah is good enough for you.

... lowered expectations ...
lets' get the TRUTH,
Matthew 12:22 "Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw." Matthew 12:23 "And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?" Matthew 12:24 "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils." Matthew 12:25 "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:" Matthew 12:26 "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" Matthew 12:27 "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges." Matthew 12:28 "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you." Matthew 12:29 "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."
Kind of a silly statement. Satan causes the insanity and illness, then Satan can release the individual from it. It's not Satan divided, it's Satan creating an illusion like Jesus is healing, but, he's not.

This whole notion, "how else could Jesus perform miracles?? He must be divine??" is so so naive.
if this Jesus is a false prophet then all the Jews have some soul searching to do.
Working wonders is the absolute worst way to determine a savior. If that's your currency, you can be easily corrupted.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
I already posted a list of lies in the Book of John, so these are probably not true either.
so, you are saying that the Jews LIED?
It's fiction.
personal opinions, REJECTED.
That's in the definition of a false prophet. Yes, the false prophet can do miracles. The egyptian sorcerers could work wonders too.
but did they withstand in the end? no, Moses serpent/staff swallowed up theirs..... so you're REJECTED again.
Not the prince of peace, nor had any government on his shoulders. Great, you picked out one word from a prophecy. I guess a partial / shadow messiah is good enough for you.
do you think he was in public office in this world..... lol, lol, lol.

now, "a partial / shadow messiah?", beside Wonderful, Comforter, the Counsellor, the Helper, yes the Holy Spirit, (John 14). The mighty God, yes the ONLY ONE, (1 Timothy 6:16), The everlasting Father, (the Ordinal First, Isaiah 48:12), The Prince of Peace, (Luke 2:14).
all fulfilled.

101G.
 

101G

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Deuteronomy 6:14 - You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are all around you
1 Corinthians 8:4 "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one."

as for the people around us, 1 Chronicles 16:26 "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens."

101G.
 
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