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Why Mediaeval...

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
I feel the need to get this out and maybe some folks have similar experiences.

I probably seem to obsess over Mediaeval stuff. For these purposes, Mediaeval is from around 500-1500. It could be called an obsession but for me it's way more than that. When I read Mediaeval Literature in the original form (Old, Middle English or Old French) I could almost break down. There's a voice saying 'How do I honour you? How do I honour you?' Imagine creating your family tree and then meeting family members you never knew you had - it makes you sob. It's similar, but almost worse - I know these are my people, my forebears, but there's a 500 year unbridgeable gap and I can study and read and watch as much as I like but I can never quite grasp it.

There is also something about the various tribes, their heads and spears poking out from the swirling mist and ashes of a falling Western Roman empire, their new religion, their new polities, emerging languages, cultures and churches. You can almost feel the transition. And it is quietly glorious. The beginning of something wholly new yet intimately connected with the old. Former gods forgotten, former languages erased, a mighty civilisation now gone and yet continued. A sad yet optimistic Christian awakening already towered over by Roman cathedrals and Celtic monasteries.

I could almost characterise it as a religious experience. This is why I have Christian icons, crosses, crucifixes, ultimately - it's a way of bridging that gap, of embracing the unembraceable. I am more often than not in old churches.

But I'm still not really getting it across. There really is something spiritual in it for me. And for all this talk about reclaiming the Mediaeval era and addressing 'Dark Age' myths, for all this there's not much improvement. We obsess over the Tudors, in England, we obsess over Victorians, Vikings (in isolation) and Romans.

For me, this isn't an intense interest or a quaint obsession, it's a deep spiritual endeavour. Some people come across a historical figure to whom they feel particularly close or related thematically in some way, but for me it's a whole era, as ill defined, as vague, it exists. From the Christianisation of European tribes to the Reformation, there's something there for me that's closer than my own soul (it is connected to theirs, after all...)

It's not that I want to live it, I'm more than satisfied with 21st c. hygiene and technology, but that's beyond the point. There's something about it that seems to speak to me in the way some people feel their dead ancestors speaking to them, or will speak to them at graves.

They are long gone, and I highly doubt they feel any envy over what came after them. Philosophically, religiously, they'd probably prefer to remain solidly in place.

@Quintessence I'd appreciate your thoughts, even though this will perhaps be about as far from your experience at possible.
 
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Ella S.

*temp banned*
Since this is a Discussion thread and that protects me a bit from having to debate with anyone, I'll open up and say that I feel a similar way about ancient Sumer.

Perhaps I don't feel it as strongly. I don't really feel anything strongly. It is a strong feeling relative to my other feelings, though. Something about it feels familiar, similar to how I feel about my childhood home. Their written language and tools all seem so natural to me. When I learn about ancient Sumerian culture, it feels more like I'm remembering than learning.

Ancient Sumerian art makes me feel connected to humanity, too, although that's at least partially because of how old it is. I feel that same sense of connection when looking into Stone Age civilizations, too. It leaves me speechless to think about all of these people so long ago living lives just as real as mine under conditions that are extremely different yet still similar enough in key ways. For example, the way some Stone Age huts are decorated remind me of rustic studio apartments.

It makes my own life feel more raw, real, natural, and concrete if that makes any sense.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
Since this is a Discussion thread and that protects me a bit from having to debate with anyone, I'll open up and say that I feel a similar way about ancient Sumer.

Perhaps I don't feel it as strongly. I don't really feel anything strongly. It is a strong feeling relative to my other feelings, though. Something about it feels familiar, similar to how I feel about my childhood home. Their written language and tools all seem so natural to me. When I learn about ancient Sumerian culture, it feels more like I'm remembering than learning.

Ancient Sumerian art makes me feel connected to humanity, too, although that's at least partially because of how old it is. I feel that same sense of connection when looking into Stone Age civilizations, too. It leaves me speechless to think about all of these people so long ago living lives just as real as mine under conditions that are extremely different yet still similar enough in key ways. For example, the way some Stone Age huts are decorated remind me of rustic studio apartments.

It makes my own life feel more raw, real, natural, and concrete if that makes any sense.
It all makes total sense. It's a connexion like no other connexion. An electricity you can feel. You got it with 'not learning but remembering'.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I feel the need to get this out and maybe some folks have similar experiences.

I probably seem to obsess over Mediaeval stuff. For these purposes, Mediaeval is from around 500-1500. It could be called an obsession but for me it's way more than that. When I read Mediaeval Literature in the original form (Old, Middle English or Old French) I could almost break down. There's a voice saying 'how do I honour you? How do I honour you?' Imagine creating your family tree and then meeting family members you never knew you had - it makes you sob. It's similar, but almost worse - I know these are my people, my forebears, but there's a 500 years unbridgeable gap and I can study and read and watch as much as I like but I can never quite grasp it.

There is also something about the various tribes, their heads and spears poking out from the swirling mist and ashes of a falling Western Roman empire, their new religion, their new polities, emerging languages, cultures and churches. You can almost feel the transition. And it is quietly glorious. The beginning of something wholly new yet intimately connected with the old. Former gods forgotten, former languages erased, a mighty civilisation now gone and yet continued. A sad yet optimistic Christian awakening already towered over by Roman cathedrals and Celtic monasteries.

I could almost characterise it as a religious experience. This is why I have Christian icons, crosses, crucifixes, ultimately - it's a way of bridging that gap, of embracing the unembraceable. I am more often than not in old churches.

But I'm still not really getting it across. There really is something spiritual in it for me. And for all this talk about reclaiming the Mediaeval era and addressing 'Dark Age' myths, for all this there's not much improvement. We obsess over the Tudors, in England, we obsess over Victorians, Vikings (in isolation) and Romans.

For me, this isn't an intense interest or a quant obsession, it's a deep spiritual endeavour. Some people come across historical figure to whom they feel particularly close or related thematically in some way, but for me it's a whole era, as ill defined, as vague, it exists. From the Christianisation of European tribes to the Reformation, there's something there for me that's closer than my own soul (it is connected to theirs, after all...)

It's not that I want to live it, I'm more than satisfied with 21st c. hygiene and technology, but that's beyond the point. There's something about it that seems to speak to me in the way some people feel their dead ancestors speaking to them, or will speak to them at graves.

They are long gone, and I highly doubt they feel any envy over what came after them. Philosophically, religiously, they'd probably prefer to remain solidly in place.

@Quintessence I'd appreciate your thoughts, even though this will perhaps be about as far from your experience at possible.
Are you involved with re-enactment or living history or is your interest purely intellectual/spiritual?
Do you/have you studied history or archaeology?
 

rocala

Well-Known Member
This post was like a breath of fresh air for me. I was always drawn to the mediaeval period. I had been working on my family tree for about fifteen years when I found that my father was descended from an aristocratic family. Through this I have managed to go back to the 10th century.

I started to feel a bond which was quite unlike how I felt about the later generations. I also was aware of a growing affection for the Catholic church, I am not even a Christian? One of my highlights was attending a service in a mediaeval Scottish abbey, knowing that I had ancestors buried nearby.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
Are you involved with re-enactment or living history or is your interest purely intellectual/spiritual?
Do you/have you studied history or archaeology?
I've not been able to do any re-enacting but I live in a place with a strong religious Mediaeval history so it should be possible.

I mostly do self study; teach myself Middle English and Old French. I'm relatively good at language so it's no issue and not something I feel the need to pay for.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
This post was like a breath of fresh air for me. I was always drawn to the mediaeval period. I had been working on my family tree for about fifteen years when I found that my father was descended from an aristocratic family. Through this I have managed to go back to the 10th century.

I started to feel a bond which was quite unlike how I felt about the later generations. I also was aware of a growing affection for the Catholic church, I am not even a Christian? One of my highlights was attending a service in a mediaeval Scottish abbey, knowing that I had ancestors buried nearby.
This is beautiful.

I have the same sensation, especially re the Church. It's real.

I'm glad you got to go there and feel that. I'm sure they saw you, too.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I've not been able to do any re-enacting but I live in a place with a strong religious Mediaeval history so it should be possible.

I mostly do self study; teach myself Middle English and Old French. I'm relatively good at language so it's no issue and not something I feel the need to pay for.
I'm more interested in the practical side. I like to make things the old fashioned way and I like the "simple life" for a weekend or a week.
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
This kind of reminds of going to YouTube music videos of 80's music and finding comments suggesting that era was somehow more remarkable or special than what we have today. BUT TEN TIMES MORE INTENSE! Honestly, as a syntheist I'm looking towards the future which The Synverse will be created, and even you could have access and be able to visit or watch events unfold from that time period. The past becomes the future, so the future can revisit the past. Quantum archeology is just one of the future technological magical powers we will soon possess.

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
This kind of reminds of going to YouTube music videos of 80's music and finding comments suggesting that era was somehow more remarkable or special than what we have today. BUT TEN TIMES MORE INTENSE! Honestly, as a syntheist I'm looking towards the future which The Synverse will be created, and even you could have access and be able to visit or watch events unfold from that time period. The past becomes the future, so the future can revisit the past. Quantum archeology is just one of the future technological magical powers we will soon possess.

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana.
I'm sorry that's what you got from this.
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
I'm sorry that's what you got from this.

Sorry? I enjoyed reading your post. You sound like a historian, trying to understand a piece of history that is all but lost from most individuals. I find it fascinating that some people are curious about the past.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
If you haven't yet played Pentiment, @Rival, play Pentiment.

I've played a lot of video games. Pentiment is not a video game; to call it a video game is doing it a disservice. Where much of the industry these days is driven to create entertainment products for mass consumption and shareholder profits, some developers still remember the potential of video games to create works of literary and artistic merit. Pentiment is one of those, and it's a masterpiece. Its themes run the spectrum and it is set in the medieval period. I think you're likely to be in the demographic that'll appreciate it. No twitch reflexes required, as it's less a game and more like sitting down with a good book that's got some choose your own adventure elements.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I feel the need to get this out and maybe some folks have similar experiences.

I probably seem to obsess over Mediaeval stuff. For these purposes, Mediaeval is from around 500-1500. It could be called an obsession but for me it's way more than that. When I read Mediaeval Literature in the original form (Old, Middle English or Old French) I could almost break down. There's a voice saying 'how do I honour you? How do I honour you?' Imagine creating your family tree and then meeting family members you never knew you had - it makes you sob. It's similar, but almost worse - I know these are my people, my forebears, but there's a 500 year unbridgeable gap and I can study and read and watch as much as I like but I can never quite grasp it.

There is also something about the various tribes, their heads and spears poking out from the swirling mist and ashes of a falling Western Roman empire, their new religion, their new polities, emerging languages, cultures and churches. You can almost feel the transition. And it is quietly glorious. The beginning of something wholly new yet intimately connected with the old. Former gods forgotten, former languages erased, a mighty civilisation now gone and yet continued. A sad yet optimistic Christian awakening already towered over by Roman cathedrals and Celtic monasteries.

I could almost characterise it as a religious experience. This is why I have Christian icons, crosses, crucifixes, ultimately - it's a way of bridging that gap, of embracing the unembraceable. I am more often than not in old churches.

But I'm still not really getting it across. There really is something spiritual in it for me. And for all this talk about reclaiming the Mediaeval era and addressing 'Dark Age' myths, for all this there's not much improvement. We obsess over the Tudors, in England, we obsess over Victorians, Vikings (in isolation) and Romans.

For me, this isn't an intense interest or a quaint obsession, it's a deep spiritual endeavour. Some people come across a historical figure to whom they feel particularly close or related thematically in some way, but for me it's a whole era, as ill defined, as vague, it exists. From the Christianisation of European tribes to the Reformation, there's something there for me that's closer than my own soul (it is connected to theirs, after all...)

It's not that I want to live it, I'm more than satisfied with 21st c. hygiene and technology, but that's beyond the point. There's something about it that seems to speak to me in the way some people feel their dead ancestors speaking to them, or will speak to them at graves.

They are long gone, and I highly doubt they feel any envy over what came after them. Philosophically, religiously, they'd probably prefer to remain solidly in place.

@Quintessence I'd appreciate your thoughts, even though this will perhaps be about as far from your experience at possible.
I don't get that from it, but I have always been fascinated by the period. They really and truly were basically just like us. Different, of course, but they too were quirky apes who loved a raunchy joke, liked getting drunk, and were just doing their best to get through the day. They weren't dumb, we don't give them enough credit and if anything we'd definitely relate and connect over beer, ranting about the clergy, and a clever wordsmith.
 
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