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9-10ths_Penguin said:

How powerful do you think humans are - or how weak do you think your god is - if you think that humans can compel God's actions?


They have to be out of the picture despite - according to the parable - being expressly invited into the picture at God's command?

Sounds like God made a mistake somewhere in there.

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I believe God always acts according to His nature. We either are in harmony with that or we are not.

I believe invitations require an RSVP. Showing up without one can mean a lack of a place at the table.

I do not believe so. Although God knows who will make it and who won't, the angels do not. They are gathering people up in bunches without any way to know whether they should be raptured or not.

Dogknox20 said:

I hope all is well....

Muffled Jesus established his Church before he ascended! He promised to never leave his Church! (Matt 28:20) Jesus built his church on Rock not on sand, to think the Church Jesus built fell is to think Jesus is a fool!
Matthew 7:26
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

The Church is the Body of Jesus; there is NO scriptures that tell us Jesus will come halfway down then return back to heaven at the end time.

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I believe that is correct but there are two raptures in the end time.

Dogknox20 said:

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Muffled I hope all is well.... You point me to scriptures, but they do not prove the rapture!
Matthew 26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Muffled Jesus established his Church on ROCK it will never fail! "Anti-Christs and false Prophets" will come teaching lies! People will believe their lies they will have itching ears.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:4
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Muffled The ONLY Church Jesus established, is still on earth, still teaching truth! Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his holy body until the end of the world... Satan cannot overpower Jesus and TAKE Jesus' body from Jesus! Until the end of the world means Jesus is Still to this very day with the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, he built on ROCK not on sand!
Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

Apostolic Church because the Catholic Church has roots back to the Apostles!

Muffled There will come false teaching! The Church Jesus established on ROCK not built on sand will not fail! To believe Jesus' church failed is to say Jesus is a FOOL!

Matthew 7:26
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

Muffled The dead will rise at Jesus return, and the living (Those people still alive) will be caught up together in the clouds!

Satan fell to the earth; he is stuck on the earth forever! The redeemed will RISE UP Away from the earth into heaven! The people who rejected God will remain DOWN on earth they are the children of Satan forever stuck even when the earth is destroyed by fire, the earth becomes a black cold burnt cinder.

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I believe I had a heart attack in July from blocked arteries. From time to time I will have a little chest pain and once had shortness of breath which is another sign of a possible heart attack. I probably have more blocked arteries but so far the doctors are not looking for them.

I believe you will have to explain why you think so when the text seems clear enough to me.

I believe the Roman Catholic Church is not in it but some Reformed churches are.

I believe all churches have the same root. It is the branches that are dead.

I believe Jesus keeps a remnant despite the failures. The dark ages couldn't put out the light completely.

That is the definition of the Rapture.

Muffled said:

I believe God always acts according to His nature. We either are in harmony with that or we are not.

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That didn't answer my question.

I believe invitations require an RSVP. Showing up without one can mean a lack of a place at the table.

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In the parable, the guests did everything asked of them. They were punished for not adhering to a dress code that the invitation failed to mention.

I do not believe so. Although God knows who will make it and who won't, the angels do not. They are gathering people up in bunches without any way to know whether they should be raptured or not.

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I'm not sure how this is supposed to relate to what I said.

Muffled said:

I believe that is correct but there are two raptures in the end time.

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Muffled Hello....
There are no scriptures that say, Jesus will come part way down to earth! The Lord will “descend from heaven with a cry of command.” Nowhere does Paul say that Jesus returns to heaven.
The saints who are alive will be “caught up…to meet the Lord in the air”?

Muffled Those who are in the grave will rise out of the grave; the living (those who are alive) will see their ghosts streaming up to meet Jesus the living (those who are alive) will be caught up with them to Jesus and his kingdom!!

Jesus saw Satan fall out of the sky... Satan and his children (those who rejected God) will be stuck here on earth: forever! The earth will be destroyed with fire (not water) Satan and his children will be forever marooned on a dark burnt crisp of a rock!

Muffled said:

I believe I had a heart attack in July from blocked arteries. From time to time I will have a little chest pain and once had shortness of breath which is another sign of a possible heart attack. I probably have more blocked arteries but so far the doctors are not looking for them.

I believe you will have to explain why you think so when the text seems clear enough to me.

I believe the Roman Catholic Church is not in it but some Reformed churches are.

I believe all churches have the same root. It is the branches that are dead.

I believe Jesus keeps a remnant despite the failures. The dark ages couldn't put out the light completely.

That is the definition of the Rapture.

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Muffled thank you for your post... It is awful to think: your very own heart will attack you! Prayers go up blessing come down! Catholics are encouraged to offer up to God our sufferings!
I believe you will have to explain why you think so when the text seems clear enough to me.
1) My reply to "Rapture" is in post above this one #45

I believe the Roman Catholic Church is not in it but some Reformed churches are.
2) Jesus established One Church not thousands! "I will build my church on rock..." My Church (singular) One church! Logic alone proves your idea wrong!
All other churches are man-made! All man-made churches MUST reject the words of God as lies! All MUST believe Jesus built on sand otherwise there is no need for them to start any churches! All must reject Matt 28:20 I am with you ALWAYS! Jesus started with his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, so he is ALWAYS with his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church!
The Only Church Jesus established baptized babies! They also ate the flesh of God in the form of bread! They had Bishops with Authority to command men! They had authority to forgive or retain sins!
Muffled -The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus established on Rock made your bible! She alone with the help of the Holy Spirit decided the truly inspired words of God and she rejected the phony ones, then she put all the truly inspired manuscripts into one book she named "The Bible"! Toss your bible out of your stinking bathroom window if you reject the Only Church Jesus established on Rock! Otherwise, how can you trust she got your bible right if you reject her authority!? You Can't!

There are Thousands of man-made churches: ALL claim to have the only truth but not even two believe the same things! God is not the cause of all this chaos Satan is!
Church is invisible
Church is NOT invisible

Church has minsters in charge
Church has congregation in charge

Church needs to be formed anew
Church never failed

Church is a building
Church is the congregation

Man is justified by Works and Faith
Man is justified by Faith Alone

Baptism saves
Baptism is only symbolic

This bread is My Body
This bread symbolically is my body

Church is the foundation and pillar of truth
Church is not the foundation of truth

Infant Baptism
No infants baptized

Music in Church
No music in Church

Wine
Grape juice

Jesus is God
Jesus is Not God

Scriptures Alone are all that is needed to find truth
An authority of scripture is needed for truth

Mary is the mother of God
Mary is Not the mother of God

Sacraments are biblical
Sacraments are not biblical

Personal relationship in Jesus is Not biblical!
Personal relationship in Jesus is biblical!

Sinners Prayer saves
Sinners' prayer is Not biblical

Confess sins to one another
Confess sins to God

Scriptures Alone are biblical
Scriptures Alone are Not biblical

Prayer for the dead
No praying for the dead

Priests
Ministers

No woman pastors
Woman allowed as Pastor

Only “WE” my church is the true church
Any church is as good as the next

There is No hell
There is an eternal hell

Soul sleep
Absent from the body present with God

The rapture is biblical
The rapture is Not biblical

Church has authority
Church has No authority

Suffering is the result of sin

Satan is the brother of Jesus

Jesus was killed on a post not a cross

Can't lose salvation
Can lose salvation

Predestined for hell
Not predestined

Faith Alone saves
Faith PLUS Love saves

Communion with God in the bread
Bread is only symbolic flesh

Church failed
Church built on Rock

Church can teach
Only scriptures teach

Faith ALONE is biblical
Faith ALONE is not biblical

Scriptures ALONE is biblical
Scriptures ALONE are NOT biblical

Church is invisible
Church is visible
Church is both

Peter was Chief Apostle
Peter was NOT chief Apostle

Early Church Fathers have no voice
Early Church Fathers teach with authority

No footnotes in the bible
Footnotes are useful

Woman are saved by childbirth!
Only faith saves!

Put on the whole armor of God
Can't put on the Armor with ONLY faith, it requires Love and Hope!
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I believe all churches have the same root. It is the branches that are dead.
I reply: Logic says No! If they had the same root, they would believe the scriptures; God' words all Must reject the words of God as lies!

I believe Jesus keeps a remnant despite the failures. The dark ages couldn't put out the light completely.
I reply: It was during the dark ages that the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church started the university system of schools!
Muffled It was “man-made protestant doctrines” that contradict God’s revelation, leading to a repression of the pure gospel. The Protestant MUST reject the scriptures to teach "Man had to come to God' rescue and Re-Form what Satan took from God!"

Dogknox20 said:

Muffled Hello....
There are no scriptures that say, Jesus will come part way down to earth! The Lord will “descend from heaven with a cry of command.” Nowhere does Paul say that Jesus returns to heaven.
The saints who are alive will be “caught up…to meet the Lord in the air”?

Muffled Those who are in the grave will rise out of the grave; the living (those who are alive) will see their ghosts streaming up to meet Jesus the living (those who are alive) will be caught up with them to Jesus and his kingdom!!

Jesus saw Satan fall out of the sky... Satan and his children (those who rejected God) will be stuck here on earth: forever! The earth will be destroyed with fire (not water) Satan and his children will be forever marooned on a dark burnt crisp of a rock!

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Zech. 14:4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.

Muffled said:

Zech. 14:4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.

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And.....
And then Jesus will return with the souls of those who have died, the living will be caught up them! Those people that are still alive will remain with Satan forever! Satan was thrown down to earth Jesus saw him

Psalm 82:8
Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.

Matthew 25:31
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Dogknox20 said:

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And then Jesus will return with the souls of those who have died, the living will be caught up them! Those people that are still alive will remain with Satan forever! Satan was thrown down to earth Jesus saw him

Psalm 82:8
Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.

Matthew 25:31
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

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I believe that is nonsense. No scripture says that.

I do not believe that is literal. I believe thee is a lot of symbolism in that.

Green and red - Christmas colors. So have a merry Christmas.

Muffled said:

I believe that is nonsense. No scripture says that.

I do not believe that is literal. I believe thee is a lot of symbolism in that.

Green and red - Christmas colors. So have a merry Christmas.

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Muffled I hope all is well...
Your Words... I believe that is nonsense. No scripture says that.

I reply with scriptures....from your post # 49 (above)

1 Thessalonians 4:17
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Logic says... If Christians are Caught Up, then the Children of Satan will NOT be caught up thus they Remain on earth!
I point out "Jesus saw Satan fall from the sky"! Satan is left on the earth he is NOT caught UP!
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***Psalm 82:8
Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.

***Matthew 25:31
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Muffled To these verses (Above***) you say... I do not believe that is literal. I believe thee is a lot of symbolism in that.
I reply: Your compliant is with God! What you are saying and what you believe is "I don't like the words of God, so it is symbolisms!"
You would rather trust the TEACHERS in your man-made church over the scriptures!

Merry Christmas

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Muffled I hope all is well...
Your Words... I believe that is nonsense. No scripture says that.

I reply with scriptures....from your post # 49 (above)

1 Thessalonians 4:17
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Logic says... If Christians are Caught Up, then the Children of Satan will NOT be caught up thus they Remain on earth!
I point out "Jesus saw Satan fall from the sky"! Satan is left on the earth he is NOT caught UP!
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***Psalm 82:8
Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.

***Matthew 25:31
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Muffled To these verses (Above***) you say... I do not believe that is literal. I believe thee is a lot of symbolism in that.
I reply: Your compliant is with God! What you are saying and what you believe is "I don't like the words of God, so it is symbolisms!"
You would rather trust the TEACHERS in your man-made church over the scriptures!

Merry Christmas

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That is debatable. Since the earth is going up in flames then those left on it are most likely to go up in flames. Those in caves could survive but they still have a chance (since they are alive) to receive Jesus as Lord and Savior. They will also have children which will give new lives to those who lost their lives in the conflagration and they will have a chance for redemption also.

I believe you are not God and it does not appear you are inspired by Him either. I have God in me so it is His words I speak.

I believe that is false. I believe the text itself lends to an interpretation of symbolism. There is a great deal of it in the book of the Revelation of Jesus.

I believe you imagined that because the truth is that I often vary from what church teachers teach.

Muffled said:

That is debatable. Since the earth is going up in flames then those left on it are most likely to go up in flames. Those in caves could survive but they still have a chance (since they are alive) to receive Jesus as Lord and Savior. They will also have children which will give new lives to those who lost their lives in the conflagration and they will have a chance for redemption also.

I believe you are not God and it does not appear you are inspired by Him either. I have God in me so it is His words I speak.

I believe that is false. I believe the text itself lends to an interpretation of symbolism. There is a great deal of it in the book of the Revelation of Jesus.

I believe you imagined that because the truth is that I often vary from what church teachers teach.

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Muffled Jesus built a "Church" he did not build the bible "His Church did"! Jesus is Always with his Church the Church he built on Rock to the end of time!
To reject the only Church Jesus established is to reject Jesus! His Church the Christian church teaches Jesus will return once more to take all believers with him into his kingdom!

Dogknox20 said:

Muffled Jesus built a "Church" he did not build the bible "His Church did"! Jesus is Always with his Church the Church he built on Rock to the end of time!
To reject the only Church Jesus established is to reject Jesus! His Church the Christian church teaches Jesus will return once more to take all believers with him into his kingdom!

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I believe I am in that church but the majority of Roman Catholics are not. Are you saved ie. have you received Jesus as Lord and Savior? Then you would be in the Church.

Muffled said:

I believe I am in that church but the majority of Roman Catholics are not. Are you saved ie. have you received Jesus as Lord and Savior? Then you would be in the Church.

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Muffled you are confused.... As if. The baby picks his parents! ** Did you pick your mother? Y/N!
My Mother is the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus established on Rock Not on Sand She is my mother! She re-Formed me by the waters of Baptism then Jesus the Groom sent the gift of the Holy Spirit... I was truly re-formed by Water & Spirit!
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
One because; "God is One"!
Holy because; God is Holy!
Catholic because; God is everywhere (Omnipresent)
Apostolic because; Only the Church Jesus established on Rock and placing Peter as Chief Bishop has roots going back 2000 years to the Apostles! No other Church has these four (4) marks!

No man gains the title "Father" until a mother gives birth!
Muffled ** Who is your mother?! If you do not have a mother, then you cannot say God is your father!
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Muffled 3000 were Added to the Body of Jesus (Catholic Church) the first day of Pentecost by Baptism!
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Muffled Please answer the two questions? **

Dogknox20 said:

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Muffled you are confused.... As if. The baby picks his parents! ** Did you pick your mother? Y/N!
My Mother is the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus established on Rock Not on Sand She is my mother! She re-Formed me by the waters of Baptism then Jesus the Groom sent the gift of the Holy Spirit... I was truly re-formed by Water & Spirit!
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
One because; "God is One"!
Holy because; God is Holy!
Catholic because; God is everywhere (Omnipresent)
Apostolic because; Only the Church Jesus established on Rock and placing Peter as Chief Bishop has roots going back 2000 years to the Apostles! No other Church has these four (4) marks!

No man gains the title "Father" until a mother gives birth!
Muffled ** Who is your mother?! If you do not have a mother, then you cannot say God is your father!
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Muffled 3000 were Added to the Body of Jesus (Catholic Church) the first day of Pentecost by Baptism!
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Muffled Please answer the two questions? **

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I believe with Jesus in me I am never confused.

I believe God picked the people in my life.

I believe an organization is not capable of conceiving a child. It takes the egg from a woman and sperm from a man.

I believe the historical evidence is to the contrary. The Church was built on the rock but the RCC was built on man's ideas of organization.

I believe both the church and baptism are incapable of doing that.

I believe if that were true then you could describe the process. I can describe how it worked for me.

I believe there is no evidence that Peter was instrumental in the formation of the RCC.

I believe my mother was a mortal woman who went to church on Christmas and Easter.

Muffled said:

I believe with Jesus in me I am never confused.

I believe God picked the people in my life.

I believe an organization is not capable of conceiving a child. It takes the egg from a woman and sperm from a man.

I believe the historical evidence is to the contrary. The Church was built on the rock but the RCC was built on man's ideas of organization.

I believe both the church and baptism are incapable of doing that.

I believe if that were true then you could describe the process. I can describe how it worked for me.

I believe there is no evidence that Peter was instrumental in the formation of the RCC.

I believe my mother was a mortal woman who went to church on Christmas and Easter.

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Muffled the Holy Church is the "Bride of Jesus"! It takes two to form a baby!
You cannot claim God is your father if you do not have a mother!
The "Bride" re-Forms Adams children into the Children of God by the waters of Baptism! My Mother the Holy Catholic Church formed me, and God the Groom sent the Gift of the Holy Spirit!
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Truly Born of Water (Baptism) and The Spirit! (The Gift)!
John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

3000 were Added to the Body of Jesus (Catholic Church) the first day of Pentecost by Baptism!
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Muffled Jesus formed the Holy Catholic Church; he built it on Rock NOT... Not on Sand! The Only Church Jesus established still stands today! She his Holy Church has over 1.2 billion Children, yet she remains a virgin! All other churches in the world are started by men... These People: these man-made Churches reject the scriptures as lies!
Jesus is Always With his Holy Church to the very end of time! This means Jesus is Still with the Catholic Church today cannot be with the man-made churches!!

Matthew 28:20
Teach them to do everything I have commanded you. “And remember that I am always with you until the end of time.”

Dogknox20 said:

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Muffled the Holy Church is the "Bride of Jesus"! It takes two to form a baby!
You cannot claim God is your father if you do not have a mother!
The "Bride" re-Forms Adams children into the Children of God by the waters of Baptism! My Mother the Holy Catholic Church formed me, and God the Groom sent the Gift of the Holy Spirit!
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Truly Born of Water (Baptism) and The Spirit! (The Gift)!
John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

3000 were Added to the Body of Jesus (Catholic Church) the first day of Pentecost by Baptism!
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Muffled Jesus formed the Holy Catholic Church; he built it on Rock NOT... Not on Sand! The Only Church Jesus established still stands today! She his Holy Church has over 1.2 billion Children, yet she remains a virgin! All other churches in the world are started by men... These People: these man-made Churches reject the scriptures as lies!
Jesus is Always With his Holy Church to the very end of time! This means Jesus is Still with the Catholic Church today cannot be with the man-made churches!!

Matthew 28:20
Teach them to do everything I have commanded you. “And remember that I am always with you until the end of time.”

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I believe this concept is your own creation. It is quite logical from a human viewpoint but not from a Godly viewpoint.

Muffled the Holy Church is the "Bride of Jesus"! It takes two to form a baby!
You cannot claim God is your father if you do not have a mother!
The "Bride" re-Forms Adams children into the Children of God by the waters of Baptism! My Mother the Holy Catholic Church formed me, and God the Groom sent the Gift of the Holy Spirit!
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Truly Born of Water (Baptism) and The Spirit! (The Gift)!
John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

3000 were Added to the Body of Jesus (Catholic Church) the first day of Pentecost by Baptism!
40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Muffled Jesus formed the Holy Catholic Church; he built it on Rock NOT... Not on Sand! The Only Church Jesus established still stands today! She his Holy Church has over 1.2 billion Children, yet she remains a virgin! All other churches in the world are started by men... These People: these man-made Churches reject the scriptures as lies!
Jesus is Always With his Holy Church to the very end of time! This means Jesus is Still with the Catholic Church today cannot be with the man-made churches!!

Matthew 28:20
Teach them to do everything I have commanded you. “And remember that I am always with you until the end of time.”

Muffled said:

I believe this concept is your own creation. It is quite logical from a human viewpoint but not from a Godly viewpoint.

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Muffled I hope all is well... You will have to produce the scriptures! Godly viewpoint is what!?
Fact......
1) Baptism makes Disciples!
The Great Commission- "Go make Disciples of all nations Baptizing"!

2) Jesus is the brother of the disciple!
Matthew 12 Pointing to his Disciples Jesus said, "Here are my brothers"!

3) If Jesus is your brother, then God would logically be your father!

4) If God is your father, then logic says you MUST have been Immersed into his "ONLY Son"!

5) No one can baptize themselves The Bride does that: The Bride re-Forms Abrahams Children into the Children of God by the waters of Baptism. By the waters of Baptism Jesus becomes our brother!

6) The waters of Baptism cleanses away the sin of our first father!
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

It takes TWO (2) to form a child!
The "Bride is my Mother", she Re-Formed me as all mothers "Form the Child!
The Groom is my Father as all mothers need seed he sends the Gift!
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Having the Gift, I now belong to God!

The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church is the Bride of Christ!
Mary the mother of Jesus is the mother of The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church the Body of Jesus!