Ben Dhyan
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Atheistic Childishness.Shoopley is all.
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Subduction Zone
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Do you know how we know that reality is real? Because it can be demonstrated to everyone. You appear to be using your own definition of that word. Toi everyone else it looks as if you are using that word as a synonym for "make believe".Trying to explain God reality to atheists is extremely difficult because whereas God reality is the world of causes, atheists see reality in the world of effects.
Wrt evidence for an adversary of God, you seem to be implying that you do not exist, but in fact you do. Pretending to not exist in order to avoid acknowledging the evidence is not going to cut it.
Subduction Zone
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No, it very nicely demonstrated how your post was "childish".
Do you have anything besides appeals to woo woo?
Ben Dhyan
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Belief is not evidence. You can never realize God by believing in God, not ever. So long as you believe God can be realized through belief, you are not at first base. The world of effects is not the world of causes, belief belongs to the world of effects, after the fact. I
Subduction Zone
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Ben Dhyan
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You imagine that you understand reality, you do not. Reality is what is, the reality of demonstrating reality to everyone is the reality of some non-realized soul demonstrating reality to other non-realized souls, nothing more. God realized souls otoh are reality.
Ben Dhyan
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Atheistic childishness..And this post started out so well
Subduction Zone
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Really? Then support your claims. Do not just wave your hands and make woo woo noises.
Subduction Zone
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What? You became an atheist? Well I guess that is a step in the right direction.Atheistic childishness..
Ben Dhyan
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You have difficulty understanding what is said to you, reality is what is, there is only one reality. Everything happening is real. You wanting evidence for the real is real, my explanation to you is real, you not understanding what I am explaining is real.
Do you get it?
Subduction Zone
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True,
I do not understand woo woo very well. I live in the real world. And now you are just flapping your hands again.
Do you have anything of substance?
Indeed, and thus far neither you, nor sny other theists, has demonstrated that any God is part of "what is".
Do you have extrasensory ability that enables you to sense a God while otehrs can't? If notm, then what is it your ordinary senses detect that is really a God, and not your imagination? Anyone will be able to sense God as you do.
Do you think the fantasies people have in their minds are reality?
I get that you are making claims, but not showing us your claims are true. You are sying things that are rational and true, but these don;t include what you say about God. So you have work to do.
Ben Dhyan
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Yes, all substance in existence is real, that which does not exist is not real. All is God, ergo God is real.
Oh, so you are attempting to force God into existence with language. Just claim that God is everything (that includes cancer cells that are killing children as we speak) is God. Of course the dilemma is that this means what is typically referred to as God is irrelevant. God in your scenario just means matter or energy, what rational minds call nature.
Subduction Zone
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No, that is merely claiming that "All is God". You need to prove that.
It is a rather poor circular argument.
Ben Dhyan
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God is not part of "what is", God is what is! The fact that atheists do not accept this definition of God does not mean anything. "Into this world, and why not knowing.....".
Funny, atheists live in conceptual reality, that of the thinking mind, which is literally a mental representation of reality, whereas in efficacious religious practice takes one to the reality itself, no symbolic reality, no dualism of observer and observed, seeker and the sought, but one indivisible reality, no thinker, no thoughts.
Ben Dhyan
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It might be so if there was a 'you' separate from the 'all'. But you are not external to the all, you are an integral, however so long as you believe you not an integral of the one reality and stand as an adversary 'outside' the oneness of God, then naturally you will never prove anything,
That's called nature, matter, energy. None of this suggests what the word "god" means in any way. You offer no explanation or justification for your word choice. So we throw it out as misleading.
No one accepts it. Your claim is absurd and misleading.
This is ironic coming from a person who is calling matter "God". The word "God" is a concept, and abstraction that doesn't correspond to anything real by any definition.
This is incoherent. It's as if you are trying to avoid being accontable for your claim about God being matter and nature.
Subduction Zone
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You are dodging. And I am rather sure that is because you have nothing.
Ben Dhyan
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Yes, except that the material world of observable nature is the world of effects, the non observable (to human perception and conception) greater part beyond is the world of causes.
Fact, if there was no duality, no yin and yang, no + and -, no light and dark, no good and evil, etc., etc.., there could not be any creation, no mind, no activity whatsoever. Isaiah 45:7 God is one. I create the light and the darkness, I make the good and the evil, I the Lord do these things.
Religious practice is about transcending the duality and rejoining the oneness of God. No man has ever or will ever gain immortality and/or peace so long as their sense of being is outside the oneness. The seeker must unite with that which is sought, or rather realize that the separation was/is an illusion of the ego mind self identifying with the external human body rather than the universal soul within.