Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the Rapture is to eternal life. Paul says "we shall all be changed" ! Cor. 15.
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I believe the Rapture is to eternal life. Paul says "we shall all be changed" ! Cor. 15.
Muffled
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only in that it might offer some protection from the Lake of Fire...
I actually believe the lake of fire comes 1000 years after the Rapture. It is the fire on the earth that we are escaping.
Dogknox20
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The idea of Rapture is not scriptural; It comes to us in the late 19th century! It’s not just the living who are caught up with the Lord, but also the dead in Christ: “And the dead in Christ will rise first”. Paul speaking of the resurrection of the dead tells us that he’s referring to the end of time.
It deals with an allegorical tale. A metaphor. A parable.
God invites his followers to celebrate His own Son (Jesus) but people will not care about him, thinking that they are eternal and they will never die.
When they are dead, those who are unworthy of the Kingdom of God (without wedding garment) will be sent to Hell.
God invites his followers to celebrate His own Son (Jesus) but people will not care about him, thinking that they are eternal and they will never die.
When they are dead, those who are unworthy of the Kingdom of God (without wedding garment) will be sent to Hell.
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What are we to be salved from, though? Isn't the danger imaginary; based on legends, fantasy and folklore?
And that's more important to you than taking a moral stand. Got it.
We have to be saved from what God will do to us if we don't give control of our lives to him, apparently.
Dogknox20
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Hello Estro Felino... Jesus destroyed death from the cross and restored life at the Resurrection! Death is no more, all will live forever the question is where, live forever in heaven or forever with Satan in Gehenna! Those in Gehenna will hate Jesus because it will be his fault, that they cannot die to end their suffering!
Estro Felino The wedding garment IS Jesus!
1 Corinthians 15:21–22: “For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.”
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We have to be born again to become joined to God, to be added to Jesus is to be in Christ, to become a member of the body of Christ, and then to be saved. We are born of Adam’s body into condemnation. We are born of Christ’s body unto salvation.
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Galatians 3:27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
Dogknox20
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Nope I do not mind... I am a Dogan... (Catholic)Are you a Protestant, if you don't mind me asking?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you are inconsistent saying the Rapture is recent then talking about it being in the Bible.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Are you a Protestant, if you don't mind me asking?
Brought up Baptist and influenced by Pentacostalism. Now attending a Southern Baptist church in the northeast.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe some people will leave Him with no choice. They are not willing to accept the offer so they have to be out of the picture with no opportunity to return to spoil things.
Dogknox20
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Muffled I was pointing out in the post above #31.... Jesus comes one time, and it is at the end of the world! Those who want to belie3ve the "Rapture" think Jesus will come back two (2) times at the end of the world!
Christians will NOT miss the tribulation as Protestants want to believe in the rapture! This teaching of Rapture comes from Protestants in...
Catholic Answers
1800s, some began to claim that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the “pre-tribulational” view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C. I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there are two raptures, the first Jews as a first fruit and then the rest of us in a second rapture.
Dogknox20
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There is no such Christian belief as the rapture, it is an invention of the 19th century! John Nelson Darby started this belief no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history.
Muffled The scriptures tell us Jesus will come next a second time as Judge, he is not coming back twice more!
Muffled The scriptures tell us Jesus will come next a second time as Judge, he is not coming back twice more!
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you can make statements all day long but I don't believe you can prove them but I can show the logic of my statements.
First I believe Biblical truth is not based on what people believe it is. The fact that people ignored the truth of the Rapture for centuries does not prove that the Rapture does not exist.
Second I believe we have the proof in Mat 24, I Thes. 4 & Rev 14.
Dogknox20
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Muffled I hope all is well.... You point me to scriptures, but they do not prove the rapture!
Matthew 26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Muffled Jesus established his Church on ROCK it will never fail! "Anti-Christs and false Prophets" will come teaching lies! People will believe their lies they will have itching ears.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:4
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Muffled The ONLY Church Jesus established, is still on earth, still teaching truth! Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his holy body until the end of the world... Satan cannot overpower Jesus and TAKE Jesus' body from Jesus! Until the end of the world means Jesus is Still to this very day with the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, he built on ROCK not on sand!
Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
Apostolic Church because the Catholic Church has roots back to the Apostles!
Muffled There will come false teaching! The Church Jesus established on ROCK not built on sand will not fail! To believe Jesus' church failed is to say Jesus is a FOOL!
Matthew 7:26
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Muffled The dead will rise at Jesus return, and the living (Those people still alive) will be caught up together in the clouds!
Satan fell to the earth; he is stuck on the earth forever! The redeemed will RISE UP Away from the earth into heaven! The people who rejected God will remain DOWN on earth they are the children of Satan forever stuck even when the earth is destroyed by fire, the earth becomes a black cold burnt cinder.
How powerful do you think humans are - or how weak do you think your god is - if you think that humans can compel God's actions?
They have to be out of the picture despite - according to the parable - being expressly invited into the picture at God's command?
Sounds like God made a mistake somewhere in there.
Dogknox20
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I hope all is well....
Muffled Jesus established his Church before he ascended! He promised to never leave his Church! (Matt 28:20) Jesus built his church on Rock not on sand, to think the Church Jesus built fell is to think Jesus is a fool!
Matthew 7:26
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
The Church is the Body of Jesus; there is NO scriptures that tell us Jesus will come halfway down then return back to heaven at the end time.