spiritual or medical?

Eddi · Nov 29, 2022

Say a person has certain symptoms that lead to them being given a diagnosis of Scizophrenia....

And say that prayer from many people combined with prayer and mental efforts by the sufferer remove the symptoms....

Would that mean that their prior condition was a spiritual condition rather than a medical one?

Especially if medicine failed to achieve what prayer achieved?

Jayhawker Soule · Nov 29, 2022

Questions like this are best discussed with appropriate professionals.

RabbiO · Nov 29, 2022

From what I’ve read schizophrenia symptoms can go into remission and/or can be cyclic, coming and going.

Eddi · Nov 29, 2022

RabbiO said:
From what I’ve read schizophrenia symptoms can go into remission and/or can be cyclic, coming and going.

Then perhaps maybe my prayers somehow put the condition into remission in ways that could be explained in medical terms, as opposed to something supernatural happening.

Father Heathen · Nov 29, 2022

Eddi said:
Say a person has certain symptoms that lead to them being given a diagnosis of Scizophrenia....

And say that prayer from many people combined with prayer and mental efforts by the sufferer remove the symptoms....

Would that mean that their prior condition was a spiritual condition rather than a medical one?

Especially if medicine failed to achieve what prayer achieved?

It means they didn't have a real condition to begin with.

Eddi · Nov 29, 2022

Father Heathen said:
It means they didn't have a real condition to begin with.

That makes no sense...

If they had symptoms (very real symptoms I can assure you) then they must of had an underlying condition that caused them

How can you have symptoms without a cause???

That's like telling a person who has recovered from having a broken leg that their leg was never broken because it is no longer broken :facepalm:

Father Heathen · Nov 29, 2022

Eddi said:
That makes no sense...

If they had symptoms (very real symptoms I can assure you) then they must of had an underlying condition that caused them

How can you have symptoms without a cause???

That's like telling a person who has recovered from having a broken leg that their leg was never broken because it is no longer broken

Placebo - Wikipedia

Eddi · Nov 29, 2022

Father Heathen said:
Placebo - Wikipedia

Yes, I am well aware of the placebo effect

However, I believe it is sometimes incorrectly applied to instances of faith healing

I believe that faith healing is a thing but that in perhaps 95% of cases it's a matter of there being a placebo at work or some other form of mind control or deception, and I have a very low opinion of people who make a show out of it, I think such people are charlatans who serve to obscure the effectiveness of faith healing

And if you're saying a placebo is at work that would mean that there was a condition for it to effect in the first place

Kenny · Nov 29, 2022

Eddi said:
Say a person has certain symptoms that lead to them being given a diagnosis of Scizophrenia....

And say that prayer from many people combined with prayer and mental efforts by the sufferer remove the symptoms....

Would that mean that their prior condition was a spiritual condition rather than a medical one?

Especially if medicine failed to achieve what prayer achieved?

Not really IMV.

When Jesus laid hands on the leper, medicine didn't help but it wasn't spiritual either. Could be in some cases but just because medicine didn't help doesn't translate that it was the a spiritual condition.

Kenny · Nov 29, 2022

Eddi said:
Then perhaps maybe my prayers somehow put the condition into remission in ways that could be explained in medical terms, as opposed to something supernatural happening.

You have the mind of Christ. Don't enter into fear. Believe God. Read His word and let the peace of God rule your heart and mind.

And rejoice that He has touched your physical body.

Eddi · Nov 29, 2022

Kenny said:
Not really IMV.

When Jesus laid hands on the leper, medicine didn't help but it wasn't spiritual either. Could be in some cases but just because medicine didn't help doesn't translate that it was the a spiritual condition.

But what about when he cast out demons?

rational experiences · Nov 29, 2022

Origin parents life as the human very healthy. Correct and only answer.

Kenny · Nov 29, 2022

Eddi said:
But what about when he cast out demons?

So let's look at examples -- let's take two deaf people:

Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. 25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. 26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.

Mark 7:32 And they bring unto him one that was deaf, and had an impediment in his speech; and they beseech him to put his hand upon him. 33 And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue; 34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened. 35 And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain.

The first had a spirit and the second didn't. Some are spiritual and others are natural.

But in both cases, he healed them and it didn't matter if it was spiritual or natural. We can't put everything in a cookie cutter box. I am sure there are other ways he healed deaf people.

Since you have been released from the symptoms, my position would be the following whether spiritual or natural... your case could be either... but it doesn't matter.

1) Know that God wants you healed and the devil doesn't.
2) If you sense any symptoms creeping back, rebuke it, in the name of Jesus and command it to leave. (You have power of attorney to use the name above all names, Jesus)
3) Don't let fear take hold because that is what the enemy uses.
4) Read up on healing scriptures or listen to them on youtube. It will build your faith!

AND

REJOICE AND BE GLAD, that the symptoms have left... don't take it back.

wellwisher · Dec 1, 2022

Eddi said:
Say a person has certain symptoms that lead to them being given a diagnosis of Scizophrenia....

And say that prayer from many people combined with prayer and mental efforts by the sufferer remove the symptoms....

Would that mean that their prior condition was a spiritual condition rather than a medical one?

Especially if medicine failed to achieve what prayer achieved?

There is a thing called a placebo. When drugs are tested, some of the drugs will be replaced with sugar pills, which is the placebo. The placebo is an inert thing, that is added to testing, to see if psychosomatic affects occur, that are not connected to the drug.

Since nobody in the test knows who will get the placebo, if someone gets better, with a sugar pill, this is faith healing. The sugar pill is like the talisman of witch doctor. The symptoms disappear if they believe in the drug. Blind testing uses the placebo, because faith healing can and will occur and would exaggerate the value of the drug.

There is a placebo affect in terms of healing. There is also a placebo affect that can make some people sick with a negative sugar pill. If the media hypes the new cold or flu, some people, who were not exposed, will get sick and/or develop the expected symptoms. In this case, since this condition is based on a placebo sickness; power of suggestion, it can be cured with faith healing; home made chicken noodle soup.

COVID was a good example of an attempted placebo disease induction in children. The data always said children were not too vulnerable to COVID. However, there was push, to assume the opposite was true, so schools would shut down. Those who were fooled could then pat each other on the back, for saving the children, who did not need to be saved, from the placebo disease induction connected to the school. The Republican Party saw the same data and took on the negative sugar pill; Lefty bogeyman, and proved the placebo to be a sleazy scam to appease teachers unions.

The new gender nonsense is another negative placebo affect which should not be done to children. Those who attempted this, tried to avoid the parents, since their witch doctoring induction can neutralize by the parents; all in the head. This should be considered child abuse and practicing medicine without a license.

George-ananda · Dec 5, 2022

Eddi said:
Say a person has certain symptoms that lead to them being given a diagnosis of Scizophrenia....

And say that prayer from many people combined with prayer and mental efforts by the sufferer remove the symptoms....

Would that mean that their prior condition was a spiritual condition rather than a medical one?

Especially if medicine failed to achieve what prayer achieved?

I would say the medical and spiritual are intertwined.

wellwisher · Dec 11, 2022

George-ananda said:
I would say the medical and spiritual are intertwined.

The material and the spiritual are connected. I knew a person who was afraid of asteroids hitting the earth. When science TV specials would appear, that hyped this remote possibility, that person would get deeply afraid.

Often this fear could linger for days or weeks beyond the show. The original placebo affect; selling research via fear, was causing the brain to physically release chemicals, to create a chemical fear environment in the brain, as would a natural reality fear stimulus.

Will power and choice, can cause one to reinforce this fear, allowing this temporary natural release of fear chemicals, to linger longer than natural. The animal gets afraid, run, escape and then relax. The fear is on a timer. With will and choice, unnatural reinforcement, can create a chemical subroutine, that perpetuates the fear chemical release, which then reinforces the imagery of the disaster. Depression often creates such emotional chemical loops of helplessness. Once started it can be hard to break.

It can reach a point where chemical medicine may be needed to shut off the chemical release loop, so their mind can settle. Without the fear chemicals active in the brain, by any means, it will harder to be afraid. One can also use psychology; faith healing, but once the chemical release is active for too long, this is harder to do, especially if the herd requires you run along with the fear.

This brings me to the placebo induction connected to climate change. This is using an end of the world fear induction; biblical proportions, to reinforce a long term brain drain via a chemical fear loop. It may have started as a healthy placebo; healthy level of open mindedness to possible fear. But censorship to open discussion, has caused the fear induction to lingered longer for some, and may only be easily treatable with psychotropic drugs. Or one may need to leave the reinforcement of the group.

When the brain writes to memory, emotional tags are added to the sensory content, as the memory is written to the cerebral matter. The problem with the lingering release of say fear chemicals, is this will be used to tag your new memories. What may be innocent, by being tagged by lingering fear, will now become scary or suspicious; fight or flight. The mythological way Trump was made the jack of all evil, was due to this looping tagging induction beyond natural fear. With censorship starting to be exposed, needed to perpetuate the fear, we can now start to reprogram the brain; faith healing.

Sand Dancer · Dec 11, 2022

Eddi said:
Say a person has certain symptoms that lead to them being given a diagnosis of Scizophrenia....

And say that prayer from many people combined with prayer and mental efforts by the sufferer remove the symptoms....

Would that mean that their prior condition was a spiritual condition rather than a medical one?

Especially if medicine failed to achieve what prayer achieved?

Why play what-if games?

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