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SF oks killer robots for cops
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Shadow Wolf
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From what studies have shown they are behind a screen but going through a lot of the same mental stuff of combat (including PTSD) as a regular pilot.
Someone says "**** the police," I just don't see the cop sitting behind the screen making things any different. Even if they aren't they'll know there's the real possibility of emotionally being there, they'll still shoot people, where the encounter is occurring, and because they were "emotionally present" they'll be found to have done wrong.
stvdv
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Those movies were made with the intention to brainwash the Americans to accept "killer robots as part of their daily life", that's obvious to me
Drones were an "easy to digest" introduction. Of course AI has already implemented.
Understandable they go this route. Best way to subjugate the people with even lethal force without being held responsible
I work in IT as well. And to your point here, I don't think the police should be armed like the military. Should we give them flamethrowers, handgrenades, landmines, and bazookas too? So I don't think they should have any equipment that is military level. For one reason alone, they aren't the military. From my understanding, a lot of the cops who become cops, the military wouldn't take them. So why then give them military gear?
But the deeper concern is this. If we have militarized police forces, what is different from that than having the National guard out there on our streets imposing martial law? Assault rifles and tanks on every corner, and so forth. While that sounds extreme, having cops with military equipment is a show of force that makes everyone nervous, not just the bad guys. These are not the military. The military should not be deployed against American citizens. Nor should they be supplying military gear to police forces.
There is a major downside to this. They are the military. Nor should we have those armed with military weapons on our streets partoling American citizens. Then add to this, that they are training these cops with military weapons to treat all of us as the enemy.
/rant.
What? Have you ever watched the films? They portray how horrifying they are, not how innocent they are getting us used to accepting them from some dark conspiracy between the "deep state" and Hollywood! I anyone ever saw a T-1000 coming towards them, I'm pretty sure they'd all **** their pants, not run out there and hug it!
Sounds like we're in complete agreement.
Aussie police are bad enough in how they make a distinction between cops and 'citizens', as if they themselves are not citizens. All too often it's made to sound like a perjorative.
When I lived in New Zealand, beat cops didn't carry firearms. I don't know if I just got lucky, or it had an impact, but they were the friendliest cops I've come across, with a clear incentive to de-escalate situations.
I don't think the person posing a threat would make it personal with a robot either, though they might try to damage it, or they might try to flee. The cop controlling it remotely could view the suspect like an NPC in a video game.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There are studies that show militarized police increases violence and destruction rather than reduce it.
From ACLU website....
The ACLU helped place police militarization in the broader landscape of police violence with our 2014 groundbreaking report, “War Comes Home.” That report — released just months before police killed Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri — highlighted the ways that militarized police act aggressively and violently, target Black and Brown communities, and kill Americans at an alarming tempo.
Testing: ACLU: Federal Militarization of Law Enforcement Must End
Also..
The Militarization of US Law Enforcement and Civilian Harm | Center for Civilians in Conflict
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Another thought that I had on this topic was that there is a great deal of potential for abuse by having armed robots operating in police departments across the country.
There is a way of looking at things like this. Whenever someone in the government proposes something like this, the question to ask is this: Would you want Trump to have something like this at his disposal?
There is a way of looking at things like this. Whenever someone in the government proposes something like this, the question to ask is this: Would you want Trump to have something like this at his disposal?
averageJOE
zombie
Not surprising coming from a deep blue state. The Democrat "Back the Blue" mentality puts the Republicans to shame.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You haven't played video games where you hunt down the bad guys without personal fear for safety.
Robots provide that same kind of benefit to its user. Just hunt down and terminate. What fun for a government psychopath.
Problem is one is fantasy, while the other is real life.
averageJOE
zombie
Come on.
Cops fear for their lives when someone is handcuffed in the back of a secured police car and start kicking the doors.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yea. They even handcuff and tazer little kids now.
We Never Know
No Slack
Its going to become the norm
Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns in West Bank
Israel deploys remote-controlled robotic guns in West Bank
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Some already posses that function if desired.
Having nothing to fear...that has 2 aspects...
1) Nothing to fear for illegal acts.
2) Nothing to fear from threats we civilians pose.
#1 is already a problem to work on.
We must get rid of, or at least further limit
Qualified Immunity.
#2 could possibly change cop culture, ie,
they would see us as less of a deadly threat
to them because robots would handle the
anticipated high threat scenarios. This
allows them do de-personalize their role.
Of course, we need strong laws that require
full monitoring, & prohibit making records
inaccessible (eg, deletion, switching off
recording, excessive redaction, bureaucratic
hurdles, charging fees).
There'd be a difference between drone pilots
& drone cops. The former intentionally kill
many people. The latter would also have less
than lethal tools, & should be trained to not kill
unless necessary, which should lessen the
frequency & magnitude of killing.
Training of drone cops would differ from
drone soldiers, with the former requiring more
training because of more legal issues, more
possible scenario outcomes, & more impact
on (our) society.
Note:
I consider most cops to be incompetent &
corrupt. I see drones as having the potential
to lessen the danger they pose.
Exactly.
But ideally, a video game with quality oversight
& real world sanctions against wrongful behavior.
I've not played any video games....except for
Pong back in the 70s. It was a dull novelty.
Psychopaths operating killer drones would
be detectable, as are psychopaths using
conventional guns.
The big difference is potential lessening of
personal hostility, rage, & fear during the
interaction between cops & civilians.
Your belief that drone cops would be hunter
killers of civilians is the fantasy here.
Real life is quite problematic already.
Out of greed, fear, incompetence & sadism,
cops rob, assault, & murder people with impunity.
Drones offer the lessening of cops' fear of us
because the most dangerous encounters will
be safe for them. This could be a big part of
changing their culture to be less fearful &
dangerous.