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Openly gay and Catholic

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
As we mature our desires and priorities change - what we found pleasure with in the past is an offense to us now.
That sure doesn't seem to be the case with ANY of the older men that I have seen on dating sites and I have been on three dating sites. They all want and expect sex. I was surprised actually because back when I was in grad school for my MA in Psychology, I learned that 60% of men in their 60s are impotent, and each decade it goes up, so 70% of men in their 70s are impotent. Maybe it is because is Viagra and Cialis that they can keep going. I just Googled that and I see that Viagra was approved in 1998, after I graduated and got my degree.

This is very disheartening for me because I don't want sex, but I cannot find a man who doesn't want sex. I am not going to consider the men who are 80 years old because I have already been widowed once by my husband who was 10 years older than me and I don't ever want to go through that again.

I like talking about sex because it is fun to talk about but that's about it. One of the first men I met on Silver Singles was 75 years old and he wanted sex. We finally agreed that if we got married he could have sex once in a while, I thought that was fair. However, it never went any further than that because I found out he was not being honest about some other things.

More recently, a Jewish man on Zoosk was very interested in me, and he was only 61 years old but he had the expectations that I was going to move in with him and have sex before marriage, and when told him that was never going to happen I never heard from him again.

I joined a dating site called Spiritual Singles hoping to find men who were spiritual, and that was even worse! At least a third of the profile questions asked about sex and all the men wanted sex! I had to hide my answers or I would not have gotten any messages, but as it is I get few few messages since I put marriage as my only option.

I am not going to compromise my values for any man, so if that means remaining single so be it. If I found a man I loved and married him I might be willing to have sex with him, but that would have to be discussed before any marriage could take place. If sex was a high priority for him it probably would not work out for me.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That sure doesn't seem to be the case with ANY of the older men that I have seen on dating sites and I have been on three dating sites. They all want and expect sex. I was surprised actually because back when I was in grad school for my MA in Psychology, I learned that 60% of men in their 60s are impotent, and each decade it goes up, so 70% of men in their 70s are impotent. Maybe it is because is Viagra and Cialis that they can keep going. I just Googled that and I see that Viagra was approved in 1998, after I graduated and got my degree.

This is very disheartening for me because I don't want sex, but I cannot find a man who doesn't want sex. I am not going to consider the men who are 80 years old because I have already been widowed once by my husband who was 10 years older than me and I don't ever want to go through that again.

I like talking about sex because it is fun to talk about but that's about it. One of the first men I met on Silver Singles was 75 years old and he wanted sex. We finally agreed that if we got married he could have sex once in a while, I thought that was fair. However, it never went any further than that because I found out he was not being honest about some other things.

More recently, a Jewish man on Zoosk was very interested in me, and he was only 61 years old but he had the expectations that I was going to move in with him and have sex before marriage, and when told him that was never going to happen I never heard from him again.

I joined a dating site called Spiritual Singles hoping to find men who were spiritual, and that was even worse! At least a third of the profile questions asked about sex and all the men wanted sex! I had to hide my answers or I would not have gotten any messages, but as it is I get few few messages since I put marriage as my only option.

I am not going to compromise my values for any man, so if that means remaining single so be it. If I found a man I loved and married him I might be willing to have sex with him, but that would have to be discussed before any marriage could take place. If sex was a high priority for him it probably would not work out for me.
There is medicine for impotency now.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
There is no intention to change Scripture, but to interpret while keeping in mind that Scripture was written within a certain time and culture with limited knowledge.
How do revelations from a God have limited knowledge? If a deity says homosexuality is wrong then you are stuck with it.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
How do revelations from a God have limited knowledge? If a deity says homosexuality is wrong then you are stuck with it.
Unless the deity changes the law in the future, although that is not what happened.
The law is essentially the same today as it was when the Bible was written, although the punishment for homosexuality has changed.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Unless the deity changes the law in the future, although that is not what happened.
The law is essentially the same today as it was when the Bible was written, although the punishment for homosexuality has changed.


You need evidence to demonstrate a deity did anything. That doesn't exist anywhere. The Bahai writings on science are beyond wrong, I reviewed them lately and there is no chance whatsoever a deity was informing this person. Unless the deity wanted to turn away people who understood science and philosophy. He also failed to give any wisdom, knowledge, science, math, future, medical science, anything that wasn't already known (and often wrong). The OT is not from a deity either.
Judaism - Myths


Myths

Biblical myths are found mainly in the first 11 chapters of Genesis, the first book of the Bible. They are concerned with the creation of the world and the first man and woman, the origin of the current human condition, the primeval Deluge, the distribution of peoples, and the variation of languages.

The basic stories are derived from the popular lore of the ancient Middle East; parallels can be found in the extant literature of the peoples of the area. The Mesopotamians, for instance, also knew of an earthly paradise such as Eden, and the figure of the cherubim—properly griffins rather than angels—was known to the Canaanites. In the Bible, however, this mythical garden of the gods becomes the scene of man’s fall and the background of a story designed to account for the natural limitations of human life. Similarly, the Babylonians told of the formation of humankind from clay. But, whereas in the pagan tale the first man’s function is to serve as an earthly menial of the gods, in the scriptural version his role is to rule over all other creatures. The story of the Deluge, including the elements of the ark and the dispatch of the raven and dove, appears already in the Babylonian myths of Gilgamesh and Atrahasis. There, however, the hero is eventually made immortal, whereas in the Bible this detail is omitted because, to the Israelite mind, no child of woman could achieve that status. Lastly, while the story of the Tower of Babel was told originally to account for the stepped temples (ziggurats) of Babylonia, to the Hebrew writer its purpose is simply to inculcate the moral lesson that humans should not aspire beyond their assigned station.


Scattered through the Prophets and Holy Writings (the two latter portions of the Hebrew Bible) are allusions to other ancient myths—e.g., to that of a primordial combat between YHWH and a monster variously named Leviathan (Wriggly), Rahab (Braggart), or simply Sir Sea or Dragon. The Babylonians told likewise of a fight between their god Marduk and the monster Tiamat; the Hittites told of a battle between the weather god and the dragon Illuyankas; while a Canaanite poem from Ras Shamra (ancient Ugarit) in northern Syria relates the discomfiture of Sir Sea by the deity Baal and the rout of an opponent named Leviathan. Originally, this myth probably referred to the annual subjugation of the floods.


Legends and other tales


Legends in the Hebrew Scriptures often embellish the accounts of national heroes with standard motifs drawn from popular lore. Thus, the Genesis story of Joseph and Potiphar’s wife recurs substantially (but with other characters) in an Egyptian papyrus of the 13th century BCE. The account of the infant Moses being placed in the bulrushes (in Exodus) has an earlier counterpart in a Babylonian tale about Sargon, king of Akkad (c. 2334–c. 2279 BCE), and is paralleled later in legends associated with the Persian Cyrus and with Tu-Küeh, the fabled founder of the Turkish nation. Jephthah’s rash vow (in Judges), whereby he is committed to sacrifice his daughter, recalls the Classical legend of Idomeneus of Crete, who was similarly compelled to slay his own son. The motif of the letter whereby David engineers the death in battle of Bathsheba’s husband recurs in Homer’s story of Bellerophon. The celebrated judgment of Solomon concerning the child claimed by two contending women is told, albeit with variations of detail, about Buddha, Confucius, and other sages; the story of how Jonah was swallowed by a “great fish” but was subsequently disgorged intact finds a parallel in the Indian tale of the hero Shaktideva, who endured the same experience during his quest for the Golden City. On the other hand, it should be observed that many of the parallels commonly cited from the folklore of indigenous peoples may be mere repetitions of biblical material picked up from Christian missionaries.

The Hebrew Bible also contains a few examples of fables (didactic tales in which animals or plants play human roles). Thus, the serpent in Eden talks to Eve, and Balaam’s *** not only speaks but also seeks to avoid an angel, unseen by Balaam, that is blocking the road, while trees compete for kingship in the celebrated parable of Jotham in Judges. Finally, in the Book of Job (38:31) there are allusions to star myths concerning the binding of Orion (called “the Fool”) and the “chaining” of the Pleiades.


Contemporary interpretations

The tendency to interpret biblical tales and legends as authentic historical records or as allegories or as the relics of solar, lunar, and astral myths is now a thing of the past.
 

DNB

Christian
That sure doesn't seem to be the case with ANY of the older men that I have seen on dating sites and I have been on three dating sites. They all want and expect sex. I was surprised actually because back when I was in grad school for my MA in Psychology, I learned that 60% of men in their 60s are impotent, and each decade it goes up, so 70% of men in their 70s are impotent. Maybe it is because is Viagra and Cialis that they can keep going. I just Googled that and I see that Viagra was approved in 1998, after I graduated and got my degree.

This is very disheartening for me because I don't want sex, but I cannot find a man who doesn't want sex. I am not going to consider the men who are 80 years old because I have already been widowed once by my husband who was 10 years older than me and I don't ever want to go through that again.

I like talking about sex because it is fun to talk about but that's about it. One of the first men I met on Silver Singles was 75 years old and he wanted sex. We finally agreed that if we got married he could have sex once in a while, I thought that was fair. However, it never went any further than that because I found out he was not being honest about some other things.

More recently, a Jewish man on Zoosk was very interested in me, and he was only 61 years old but he had the expectations that I was going to move in with him and have sex before marriage, and when told him that was never going to happen I never heard from him again.

I joined a dating site called Spiritual Singles hoping to find men who were spiritual, and that was even worse! At least a third of the profile questions asked about sex and all the men wanted sex! I had to hide my answers or I would not have gotten any messages, but as it is I get few few messages since I put marriage as my only option.

I am not going to compromise my values for any man, so if that means remaining single so be it. If I found a man I loved and married him I might be willing to have sex with him, but that would have to be discussed before any marriage could take place. If sex was a high priority for him it probably would not work out for me.
...I feel that if it's necessary to talk about sex with one's potential spouse, then both parties are misguided - it should never be contrived, premeditated nor expected - if it happens, it happens, otherwise don't force it, it's not coming from the right place in one's heart.
...if I met the right woman, I couldn't care less if we had sex or not. Therefore, it's bound to happen, but in the right measure, context and intent - affection and not lust.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
How do revelations from a God have limited knowledge?
Revelations from God are 'limited' by human capacity to comprehend what God reveals. In other words, humans do not have the capacity to hear what God knows it all at once. God's knowledge has to be revealed in increments.

“Oh, would that the world could believe Me! Were all the things that lie enshrined within the heart of Bahá, and which the Lord, His God, the Lord of all names, hath taught Him, to be unveiled to mankind, every man on earth would be dumbfounded.......
Of these truths some can be disclosed only to the extent of the capacity of the repositories of the light of Our knowledge, and the recipients of Our hidden grace.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 176
If a deity says homosexuality is wrong then you are stuck with it.
You are stuck with it if you believe in a religion that contains those laws.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Because the 'word' in revelation is human, and limited by human knowledge.

That doesn't make sense. The point of a revelation is to get divine information which updates human knowledge? So if a deity says being gay is wrong then you are stuck with this interpretation.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Revelations from God are 'limited' by human capacity to comprehend what God reveals. In other words, humans do not have the capacity to hear what God knows it all at once. God's knowledge has to be revealed in increments.

First what God? You have a man claiming he gets messages from a God. That isn't evidence.
This statement was regarding Yahweh and his hate for homosexuality. In that he was clear.

But humans wouldn't need to know everything a God knows. Just SOMETHING that was actually new or not plain incorrect. Like the blazingly wrong science he writes about or the complete lack of modern philosophy. Never mind some actual knowledge about the universe that we didn't know but could comprehend. In fact since that time science has learned an incredible amount about many fields. None of which were mentioned. So this looks like a man wrote this, from his own mind. No Gods here.





“Oh, would that the world could believe Me! Were all the things that lie enshrined within the heart of Bahá, and which the Lord, His God, the Lord of all names, hath taught Him, to be unveiled to mankind, every man on earth would be dumbfounded.......
Of these truths some can be disclosed only to the extent of the capacity of the repositories of the light of Our knowledge, and the recipients of Our hidden grace.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 176
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-89.html.utf8?query=dumbfounded&action=highlight#gr2



Right. Well God could have given him a few things at least. Of course he's like telling us how much God knows but can't say.......
C'mon? I don't buy this for one second. How much amazing science, technology, medical advances have we learned since then. He could have been given any of that and we actually would understand.




You are stuck with it if you believe in a religion that contains those laws.

Yes Christians are kind of stuck with that.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
That doesn't make sense. The point of a revelation is to get divine information which updates human knowledge? So if a deity says being gay is wrong then you are stuck with this interpretation.

The initial revelation is given to one mystic who then must interpret it and make it public in a way understood by all. Do you really think that the deity, God, 'speaks' with a human voice?
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
The initial revelation is given to one mystic who then must interpret it and make it public in a way understood by all. Do you really think that the deity, God, 'speaks' with a human voice?

In scripture Yahweh is speaking in a human voice yes. He even shows up as a man and speaks to Jacob and speaks in a human voice to many others. But the idea that an all powerful deity cannot clearly communicate concepts to people in whatever way it chooses doesn't track with any theology. Scripture contains clear and precise words and laws from Yahweh. Also the gospels are (in the religion at least) considered direct sayings of Jesus who is considered God.

Paul is not a mystic. Also the idea that this God cannot speak in human words would be odd as well?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
But the idea that an all powerful deity cannot clearly communicate concepts to people in whatever way it chooses doesn't track with any theology. Scripture contains clear and precise words and laws from Yahweh. Also the gospels are (in the religion at least) considered direct sayings of Jesus who is considered God.
That is true, scripture contains clear and precise words and laws from God, but scripture is not God speaking 'directly' to humans, that is God speaking through prophets and messengers. As a Messenger of God, Jesus spoke for God and brought us a message from God.

Jesus was not God in the flesh, Jesus was a Manifestation of God in the flesh.

1 Timothy 3-16 God manifest in the flesh

KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
That is true, scripture contains clear and precise words and laws from God, but scripture is not God speaking 'directly' to humans, that is God speaking through prophets and messengers. As a Messenger of God, Jesus spoke for God and brought us a message from God..

What are you talking about? You are making stuff up?
There are many examples of Yahweh speaking directly to people?
Psalms 29:4
4 The voice of Yahweh [is] powerful. The voice of Yahweh [is] majestic.
5 The voice of Yahweh breaks [the] cedars. Yahweh shatters even the cedars of Lebanon.
6 And he makes them skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young wild ox.

God spoke directly to Jacob and even had a wrestling match with him.



Jesus was not God in the flesh, Jesus was a Manifestation of God in the flesh.

1 Timothy 3-16 God manifest in the flesh

KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Uh, what? A manifestation of God in the flesh is God in the flesh. Same thing? Anyways the OT is full of examples of God speaking directly to people. Professor Stavrakopoulou s new book has a section on Yahwehs voice.
God: An Anatomy, with Francesca Stavrakopoulou

So even the theology given in Bahai literature is not correct according to Jewish theology.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
That sure doesn't seem to be the case with ANY of the older men that I have seen on dating sites and I have been on three dating sites. They all want and expect sex. I was surprised actually because back when I was in grad school for my MA in Psychology, I learned that 60% of men in their 60s are impotent, and each decade it goes up, so 70% of men in their 70s are impotent. Maybe it is because is Viagra and Cialis that they can keep going. I just Googled that and I see that Viagra was approved in 1998, after I graduated and got my degree.

This is very disheartening for me because I don't want sex, but I cannot find a man who doesn't want sex. I am not going to consider the men who are 80 years old because I have already been widowed once by my husband who was 10 years older than me and I don't ever want to go through that again.

I like talking about sex because it is fun to talk about but that's about it. One of the first men I met on Silver Singles was 75 years old and he wanted sex. We finally agreed that if we got married he could have sex once in a while, I thought that was fair. However, it never went any further than that because I found out he was not being honest about some other things.

More recently, a Jewish man on Zoosk was very interested in me, and he was only 61 years old but he had the expectations that I was going to move in with him and have sex before marriage, and when told him that was never going to happen I never heard from him again.

I joined a dating site called Spiritual Singles hoping to find men who were spiritual, and that was even worse! At least a third of the profile questions asked about sex and all the men wanted sex! I had to hide my answers or I would not have gotten any messages, but as it is I get few few messages since I put marriage as my only option.

I am not going to compromise my values for any man, so if that means remaining single so be it. If I found a man I loved and married him I might be willing to have sex with him, but that would have to be discussed before any marriage could take place. If sex was a high priority for him it probably would not work out for me.

Well, I just started reading this thread. I am not sure this post is on topic. I will respond. I have had sexual issues in the past. I would like to meet someone who just wanted platonic friendship. The other thing would be a person who is willing to take a long period of time dating without sex and building up to it. But you are right, even in heterosexual circles, men want sex. So I am working on myself and hopefully will start getting out to go to church and other social events.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
What are you talking about? You are making stuff up?
There are many examples of Yahweh speaking directly to people?
Psalms 29:4
4 The voice of Yahweh [is] powerful. The voice of Yahweh [is] majestic.
5 The voice of Yahweh breaks [the] cedars. Yahweh shatters even the cedars of Lebanon.
6 And he makes them skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young wild ox.
That's just scripture that was written by men who say what God does. It is not God speaking. Only men speak. God does not speak because God is not a man. God reveals His Will through the Holy Spirit and men write that down.
God spoke directly to Jacob and even had a wrestling match with him.
God does not have wrestling matches. Only humans have wrestling matches.
 
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