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"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES
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Subduction Zone
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Of course to be legitimate one has top answer where the Hebrews got their seven day week from.
And are we paying fan fiction or are we being serious?
And are we paying fan fiction or are we being serious?
3rdAngel
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For Christians unbelief in Gods' Word is sin.
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Subduction Zone
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Unbelief in what? Nowhere in the Bible does it tell you that the Bible is perfect.
3rdAngel
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- Ephesians 2:8 We are saved by Gods grace through faith
- Romans 14:23 Whatsoever is not of faith is sin
- Hebrews 11:6 Without faith it is impossible to please God.
Take Care.
3rdAngel
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Your name sounds familiar are you from Christian Forums?
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
None of these show how I am wrong that they do not show evidence of Jesus being called God or Jesus calling himself God.
I think you don’t have any evidence that Jesus IS God do you just keep reposting a list of your compilation of misquotes and misunderstandings of scriptures.
For instance, John saying that Jesus revealed the Father, the Father who is almighty God, DOES NOT SAY that Jesus is God. It says that Jesus REVESLED GOD… this is true from Jesus’ own mouth wherein he says ‘Father, I have given them the words yoh gave me to give them and they have received them’ (paraphrased).
What is the link between Jesus revealing the Father: ‘The Son who is closest to the Father - he has revealed Him’ (p.s. Who is the ‘Him’ and who is being revealed?) and Jesus being called ‘Firstborn Son of God’ (p.s. ‘Firstborn’, not ‘First Born’… purposely confusing similar words!)
Answer: ‘Closest to the Father’ is the same as ‘FirstBorn’. It means ‘He who the Father loves the most because that one pleases the Father greater than all other Sons’:
- ‘This is my son in whom I am well pleased!’
- “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.”
So, how is Jesus God, if he is FIRSTBORN of God… if he were God there would be absolutely no need for such a affirmation (How can God by ‘most beloved’ BY GOD?
And, as a ridiculous nonsense: The Jews ‘THOUGHT that Jesus was calling himself God’ means that Jesus WAS GOD??? And then Jesus saying ‘I did not call myself God - I said only that God is my Father’ STILL MEANS that Jesus was calling himself God???
Wow! So Jesus saying: “I did not say I was God” means “I am God”…
Oh, and of course, anytime Jesus says, ‘I am’ it means he is saying that he is God, right?
So ‘I am God’ means he was saying: ‘God God’?
- ‘Before Abraham was God’
3rdAngel
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Yes everyone of these posts are in error post # 370; post # 371; post # 374; post # 375; post # 381; post # 386; post # 389: post # 439; post # 440; post # 442 and post # 448. If you would like to see why from the scriptures proving this just look at my responses to each one of your posts listed above. You did not address any of my responses to you.
For example my post # 366 linked proves plural application to "one God" you did not address any of the scriptures and content that disagrees with you in your response post # 370. Your post # 371 makes empty clams unsupported by scripture and does not address anything from my first post to you despite me asking you to address the content of my post asking you to show from the scriptures what it is you disagree with and why.
Your post # 374 is just you claiming all my post is wrong without showing what it is in my post that you disagree with. While post # 375; is just you claiming I am deceitful without being able to prove why from the scriptures. Then we have post # 381 which is some off topic claims, unsupported by any scripture evidence not addressing anything in my earlier posts and scriptures that are in disagreement with you. Your post was here was responded to in a detailed scripture reply in my post # 397 linked. You response was silence.
Then we have your post # 386; which is just you calling me names without addressing anything from my original post to you. Then we have your post # 389 where your making unsubstantiated claims about Gods 4th commandment which was responded to with a detailed scripture reply in my post # 403 linked which you did not respond to.
Your post # 439; was you claiming you answered everything I said to you without addressing any of my post content and ignoring most of my responses to you asking you to show me what it is in my post content that you disagree with and why.
Your post # 440; was you quoting you stating that the scripture writers at no time thought Jesus was God despite me posting scripture verbatim from the Apostle John, Peter, Paul, Hebrews, and Thomas all calling Jesus God (see my scripture response to you in post # 445 linked). You ignored it and did not respond. All your other posts were the same as the previous ones already addressed and responded to. So there you have it.
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Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Jesus says that TRUE worship was no longer to be on or in a corporate establishment.
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
You need to show WHY they are in error!
3rdAngel
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Already did show why you were in error (See post # 503)
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3rdAngel
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You asked me where you were in error. I posted you where you were in error and explained why in post # 503 linked.
The above are your words claiming there is no scripture of the Apostles calling Jesus God then we have Gods' Word disagreeing with your words that say verbatim Jesus is God. For example..
John states that Jesus is God here...
- JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.
- 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.
- JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!”
- HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.
- 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST
- TITUS 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST
- PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 5, Let this mind be in you, which was also in CHRIST JESUS: 6, WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD
- JOHN 10:30-33 30 I and the father are one. 31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, BECAUSE YOU, BEING A MAN, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”
- LUKE 1:35 “The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and HE WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD”
Then we have the Gods' word disagreeing with your words written through John you claim doers not call Jesus God here...
- 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.
- JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH
So this says Jesus is not God how? - It doesn't
- ROMANS 8:29 29, For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
- JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH
Jesus said to the Jews He was in existence before Abraham calling Himself I AM. To the Jew the reference to being before Abraham and the name I AM was a reference to God's name from Exodus 3:13-14 of God speaking to Moses in the burning bush.
- Exodus 3:13-14 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
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Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
No! You keep on trying to do ‘proof by contradiction’!
You keep on saying that because no one said Jesus WAS NOT GOD then that means he WAS GOD!
That is as ridiculous as someone saying that you are a slug because no one ever said that you were NOT A SLUG!
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
No! You do not SHOW where I am in error. You simply keep saying that I am in error… that is not PROOF.
Outline ONE THING that I said and give your PROOF - don’t just quote another false belief!!
For instance: ‘God did not say, “My name is I AM”. He said, “My name is YHWH”.
“YHWH” is THE NAME: ‘I AM’ is the MEANING OF THE NAME!
Also, the revelation verse: Who is it who is being revealed by the Son: who is it who is ‘True’?
- “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST (.STOP.) HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.
- ‘Father, ….. This means eternal life, that they believe IN YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD….
Walter and Debbie
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Subduction Zone
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Those verse do not support what you claimed at all. One can still be a Christian and know that parts of the Bible are not true.
Is it wrong to call God a liar? Can God lie?
3rdAngel
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Hey Walter, I was the user "LoveGodsWord" there at CF. I remember you.
God bless
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3rdAngel
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Your response here...
Yes they do dear friend. We cannot have salvation without faith in Gods' Word. Faith is the condition, that is believing and following Gods' Word is the condition to receiving Gods' promises of everlasting life. None of us receive God's promises if we choose to continue in our sins and unbelief according to the bible because whatsoever is not of faith is sin according to the scriptures (Romans 14:23) and without faith we cannot please God (Hebrews 11:6) and if we choose to continue in our sins of unbelief we are in danger of the judgement to come according to Hebrews 10:26-27.
Take Care.
3rdAngel
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Lets be honest dear friend. Everything you have been posting has been responded to with detailed scripture responses. You refuse to address the content of my posts and scriptures that are in disagreement with you. You were shown a general outline list of your posts to me in post # 503. All of your posts that have any scripture in them (not many) have been addressed showing why they are in error with detail scripture responses to you that you ignore here from post # 366 linked; post # 397 linked; post # 399 linked; post # 403 linked; post # 445 linked; post # 457 linked; and post # 507 linked. Now instead of ignoring my linked posts to you how about you address the content of these posts showing from scripture why you disagree with them? As proven in the linked posts above it you are in error in regard to not one but many things in regard to the scriptures. It is you that makes the claim to error but cannot show me where the error is in the scriptures shared in my linked responses to you that are in disagreement with you because you do not respond to the content in these posts.
Yes God's name is YHWH and God has many names in the bible. As posted earlier, Jesus said to the Jews He was in existence before Abraham calling Himself I AM. To the Jew the reference to being before Abraham and the name I AM was a reference to God's name from Exodus 3:13-14 of God speaking to Moses in the burning bush. That is why they went to kill him because they knew Jesus was calling himself God
- Exodus 3:13-14 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Its not a Revelation verse. Once again there is nothing in this scripture anywhere that says Jesus is not God. (see oneness of God study already provided). Lets look at the scripture as it reads...
Scripture parallels...
- 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
- John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
- John 10:28-30 I (Jesus) give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
- John 14:8-9 8, Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it satisfies us. 9, Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?
- 1 John 2:25 And this is the promise that he (Jesus) hath promised us, even eternal life.
- 1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
- 1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
- Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
- Romans 5:21 So that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Take Care.
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3rdAngel
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Your response here...
Your post here is non responsive to the content in the post you are quoting from and the scriptures in the post that are disagreement with you. You quoting you is not a response to scripture that is is disagreement with you. Did you want to address the content and the scriptures in the post you are quoting from that are in disagreement with you dear friend? For me only God's Words are true and we should believe and follow them (see Romans 3:4 and Acts 5:29)