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White Florida quarterback loses scholarship for using N-word on social media

Stevicus

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What I don’t see anyone saying is how the boy’s own poor judgment caused the consequences. When i grew up and did something stupid there were consequences. Using social media comes with responsibility, and if someone screws up and uses poor judgment, well, consequences.

The school might be more interested in PR, but again, this is the changing world. When i hire people i want references because i need to trust my employees. Being responsible and using good judgment is important in life. Some call it woke to be socially responsible. Ok. Call me woke. Ill watch MAGAs not be woke and be on the losing side of American life.

Well, sure, one can make a case that it was poor judgment on his part, but by the same token, one can exercise more objective judgment and question whether the consequences are appropriate and fair to the offense. One might suggest that it was poor judgment on the part of the university administration to cancel this kid's scholarship, because they live in a state where their MAGA governor was just reelected to another term. They might face consequences, too. Sometimes, the ill-considered, knee-jerk desire to impose "consequences" might not have the effect one desires, and it could lead to even greater consequences.
 

Stevicus

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Carlin truly is a voice of reason for these mad times.
And funny, because just the other day I was thinking of that bit and considering doing a google search to see if all those words are actually slurs or not, lmao.

Yeah, some of them seemed kind of obscure or maybe outdated.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Possibly, but the kid obviously has talent and he has a limited time to move on. A lawsuit would take time and it might be better to eat crow when there was no ill intent and applying elsewhere. Some school will snap him up.. He might win a lawsuit but his future is potentially brighter if he takes the route that he is taking.
Some people are willing to fight
the good fight, just on principle.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That sounds like someone who is WAY too much into Futurama, lmao.
That was about the verb "to nibble".
Not Lord Nibbler.
OIP.Nx3lzdZb8RPovolO509QIQAAAA
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That may be part of the issue, since the rules aren't really that clear.
Let's hope there is enough foresight for the future

I would sincerely hope a university would have the intelligence to see potential issues down the road being their whole premise is to educate intelligent people.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Well, sure, one can make a case that it was poor judgment on his part, but by the same token, one can exercise more objective judgment and question whether the consequences are appropriate and fair to the offense. One might suggest that it was poor judgment on the part of the university administration to cancel this kid's scholarship, because they live in a state where their MAGA governor was just reelected to another term.
How was it poor judgment to respond the way they did?

I wouldn't be surprised if the school is open to an appeal by the kid, and if he presents a sincere case then perhaps he will be reinstated.

Realize kids awarded scholarshis are being given a gift worth tens of thousands of dollars, and they are owed nothing. They have a responsibility to behave in a way that honors what they have been awarded.

They might face consequences, too.
Just like gays in FL? Just like Disney? Just like felons who were issued voting cards and then arrested for voting? MAGAs lashjing out against marginalized people is their intent. They are lashing out against institutions and businesses for being tolerant and standing by certain standards of behavior is exactly WHY they shouldn't fear the bullying, and make their decisions independently.

Sometimes, the ill-considered, knee-jerk desire to impose "consequences" might not have the effect one desires, and it could lead to even greater consequences.
Was it knee-jerk? I doubt this is the first time the school had a problem with a scholarship recipient.

And if there is consequences by the MAGA gov then that will enfold when it comes up. But I defend moral and ethical standards by institutions, businesses, and individuals, and their efforts to oppose those in society who are indifferent to harming others, and also driven by their beliefs to harm others, especially the marginialized.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We used to have the "bleeping out profanity" back in the nineties and in the early 2000s...
then it disappeared because TV entrepreneurs thought that the best way to entertain people is to use that kind of language. Audience measurement is what matters the most.
:p

Back to the topic...well...I guess the United States is woke. Enough said.
There is something to be said about family hour and late night programming that actually had a good effect. The only problem, if it's seen as one, would be the arguably moral yet cloistered effect it had on people.

I still can't determine if it actually was a good or bad thing.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Bringing back where its ok for one race to do something but not ok for another race to do it isn't woke IMO.
It comes across as an opportunity for revenge against whites for what had happened to blacks in the past by people no longer alive.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
How was it poor judgment to respond the way they did?

I wouldn't be surprised if the school is open to an appeal by the kid, and if he presents a sincere case then perhaps he will be reinstated.

Realize kids awarded scholarshis are being given a gift worth tens of thousands of dollars, and they are owed nothing. They have a responsibility to behave in a way that honors what they have been awarded.


Just like gays in FL? Just like Disney? Just like felons who were issued voting cards and then arrested for voting? MAGAs lashjing out against marginalized people is their intent. They are lashing out against institutions and businesses for being tolerant and standing by certain standards of behavior is exactly WHY they shouldn't fear the bullying, and make their decisions independently.


Was it knee-jerk? I doubt this is the first time the school had a problem with a scholarship recipient.

And if there is consequences by the MAGA gov then that will enfold when it comes up. But I defend moral and ethical standards by institutions, businesses, and individuals, and their efforts to oppose those in society who are indifferent to harming others, and also driven by their beliefs to harm others, especially the marginialized.
It was kneejerk because the school assumed that it as racist. One cannot jump to such conclusions just because someone is singing a popular song. You should watch the George Carlin piece.

A little rational thought would bring one to the conclusion that it was probably not racist. Football is a team sport and the quarterback relies on his teammates more than any other player. There will be quite a few black people on a team, and if a person is racist the protection offered by them will simply not be up to par. A racist quarterback is simply not going to do as well as one that is not.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Yeah, some of them seemed kind of obscure or maybe outdated.
Knowing Carlin he probably did deliberately use some that are dated and from other cultures just to make a point that they are words and I do believe he made it a point to include enough different words that to his audience it's some words we've never even heard of. Must be bad words to someone somewhere, but we don't get it like those from those places wouldn't get the ones we more commonly know and recognize.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Realize kids awarded scholarshis are being given a gift worth tens of thousands of dollars, and they are owed nothing. They have a responsibility to behave in a way that honors what they have been awarded.
It's more of a judgement against those who expect such purity and sainthood that they think such a colossal nothing should have such devastating consequences, especially with that being the first course of discipline.
 

Stevicus

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How was it poor judgment to respond the way they did?

By not considering the context. If the kid was just singing along to a rap song, then it seems pretty innocuous and clearly not intended to be disparaging of any marginalized people.

As I mentioned in a previous post, the history of race and racism can be intertwined with the history of American music. There was a time when racist Americans were shocked and dismayed at white American youth listening and dancing to music by black performers. It's probably a long side discussion, but the point is, they didn't really put much thought into this at all. All they had was "white boy said n-word, therefore white boy's scholarship gets cancelled." Context doesn't matter. Circumstances don't matter. One might wonder if it's just some computer making the decision and whether an actual human being had anything to do with it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the school is open to an appeal by the kid, and if he presents a sincere case then perhaps he will be reinstated.

Maybe. Or he might go somewhere else.

Realize kids awarded scholarshis are being given a gift worth tens of thousands of dollars, and they are owed nothing. They have a responsibility to behave in a way that honors what they have been awarded.

Well, it's also NCAA, but that's also another sordid topic. However, I get your general point here and I agree with it in theory. But it still leaves open the question regarding the judgment of those making the evaluation of another's behavior and declaring it to be good or evil.

Just like gays in FL? Just like Disney? Just like felons who were issued voting cards and then arrested for voting? MAGAs lashjing out against marginalized people is their intent. They are lashing out against institutions and businesses for being tolerant and standing by certain standards of behavior is exactly WHY they shouldn't fear the bullying, and make their decisions independently.

Well, yes, again I agree with you, but they can't deny the political realities they're facing. There's no indication that this kid is MAGA or right-wing. I don't see him as being intolerant or insensitive towards marginalized people, even if he didn't understand the ramifications of what he was doing. I understand your point about standing up to bullying, but that's all the more reason to avoid going after people who aren't bullies and aren't malignant like the MAGA types you mention. All it does is create another martyr they can use to advance their cause.

As to your point that "MAGAs lashing out against marginalized people is their intent," I agree with that, but that's only part of it. MAGAs are lashing out against a political faction, and marginalized people are the easiest targets to go after. Likewise, there are some who oppose MAGA who might find the easiest targets in that crowd to attack. I remember a case a few years ago when some miscreants attacked a guy in a wheelchair because he was wearing a MAGA hat. They weren't "fighting the power" or standing up to a "bully." They were attacking a defenseless man in a wheelchair. These things do happen, and these are the kinds of things which are given prominent coverage in right-wing media. I don't think they listen to rap music either, so if you ever hear them use the "n-word," it would be in a completely different context than it was with this kid.

All I'm really saying here is that we should put more thought and consideration into these matters, rather than operate according to some kind of prescribed formula or computer program.

Was it knee-jerk? I doubt this is the first time the school had a problem with a scholarship recipient.

And if there is consequences by the MAGA gov then that will enfold when it comes up. But I defend moral and ethical standards by institutions, businesses, and individuals, and their efforts to oppose those in society who are indifferent to harming others, and also driven by their beliefs to harm others, especially the marginialized.

I question this only because the kid was singing along to a song, which he obviously enjoyed listening to. Music has made an enormous contribution to our culture and history. I can't justify or defend everything that's happened in America, but I do know that among whites who cared about social justice, a lot of that came about through interaction with and partaking of the culture and arts of the various diverse peoples of America. This is how we learn to understand each other. This is how we learn to like each other and co-exist with each other and not regard each other as threats or something to fear. This is how we come together. This is how we keep from harming each other or being indifferent to other people's harm.

Sometimes, there might be clumsy, awkward moments such as this - where a white kid is singing along to some rap song which has the "n-word" in it. Does that mean he wants to harm people? I see no evidence of that. Is this some institution defending ethical and moral standards by essentially discouraging white people from listening to or enjoying music from other races or cultures? Is this what they're trying to do? Are they saying that music should be segregated by race?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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To destroy a young man's life for singing along with a published song is harsh and ridiculous.
If it's harsh consequences that you think we should be worried about, and you think not being able to play college football amounts to "destroying a young man's life," I would think that a much higher priority would be athletes who suffer this consequence without ever doing anything wrong (e.g. players who get injured while playing) or those who missed out on the opportunity altogether (e.g. promising athletes who couldn't afford high school sports).
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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This isn't difficult. Don't use racist or xenophobic language even if you feel no antipathy and are just kidding or having fun (or singing along). If that's impossible for you or you want to do so anyway, then do what you want and see what follows. It isn't illegal to cancel anybody, nor to incite the wrath of those who would cancel you. This kid made a mistake. Although it seems there was no racism or other malice intended, and I hope he gets a do-over, he didn't read the culture properly. Just don't go there. It's too dangerous, and nobody needs to.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
This is good. By imposing life changing harsh
penalties for such a social faux pas will make
us a more enlightened society. This guy got
off lightly. He should be in prison for years.
White people....they're the worst.

It's harsh, yes. Too harsh.
The guy who wrote 'Chink" on my NYU
door, I tracked him down from his handwriting
and confronted him in public.

But I did it in a way that we ended up as friends.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
The guy is singing along with a song of a rapper. IMO if its ok for one race to use the N-word in songs, its racist to punish another race for singing along with the song. Its just plain stupid.

White Florida quarterback loses scholarship for using N-word on social media

"According to CBS Sports, Stokes committed to the University of Florida in July. However, after a video of the athlete saying, “Welcome back, n**ga” was uploaded online on Friday (Nov. 18), the school quickly withdrew its offer. The student-athlete shared an apology on Twitter, adding that he fully respects the school’s decision to not have him as a member of their community moving forward. “I was in my car listening to rap music, rapping along to the words, and posted a video of it on social media,” Stokes began".

“I deeply apologize for the words in the song that I chose to say. It was hurtful and offensive to many people, and I regret that. I fully accept the consequences [of] my actions, and I respect the University of Florida’s decision to withdraw my scholarship offer to play football. My intention was never to hurt anybody and I recognize that even when going along with a song, my words still carry a lot of weight. I will strive to be better and to become the best version of myself both on and off the field. I know that learning from my mistakes is a first important step,” he concluded."

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That's really awful! They should give him his scholarship back!
 

We Never Know

No Slack
If it's harsh consequences that you think we should be worried about, and you think not being able to play college football amounts to "destroying a young man's life," I would think that a much higher priority would be athletes who suffer this consequence without ever doing anything wrong (e.g. players who get injured while playing) or those who missed out on the opportunity altogether (e.g. promising athletes who couldn't afford high school sports).

His future life education is in college. His scholarship to that college was stripped from him over BS!
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
His future life education is in college. His scholarship to that college was stripped from him over BS!
Do you see this as a greater injustice than when someone who's done nothing wrong loses their scholarship?

  • If you are injured, depending on the school you attend and whether it happened outside of games or practice, your scholarship can be pulled.
  • Coaches can decide not to renew your scholarship for the next year. This isn’t a case of the scholarship being “taken away” since they are typically only year-long contracts, but it can still come as a surprise to some student-athletes. Non-renewals can happen for various reasons, including a new coach joining the program, getting into trouble on or off the field, poor performance, etc.

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Debater Slayer

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***staff edit***

******

Big difference

Even the filter shows the context and intention and yep, the second word was the real thing. The bad wolf kind of word.

Hi, TH,

We had to edit out the variation you used, which is not caught by the language filter because it would also catch an unrelated word. The edit is due to Google's rules that require the forum to filter specific words and also keep the forum PG-rated in order for RF not to lose ad revenue.

We opted to clarify this here so that your post doesn't lose context from the edit.

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