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How Important It Is To Have Jesus Christ As Your Personal Savior

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PruePhillip

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Polymath257 said:
1. You mean, after Buddha and Mohammad? They were people as well.

2. Such is what some believe. Others disagree.

And I don't see either as particularly 'powerful'.
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The thing about Buddha was that he a King Solomon type character, dispensing wisdom about earthly living - nothing about having a hope beyond this life.
And Mohammad was the evil warlord and world's first Muslim antiSemite and Jew killer.

Other's DO disagree amongst Jews - mostly through denial and evasion.
 
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PruePhillip

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Twilight Hue said:
I wouldn't say most famous. ;0]

There's certainly much to be said for the Roman and Greek pantheon of God's and demigods as well.

Can't be more famous than Thor, Zeus, Poseidon, or Apollo. Even Isis and Medusa have been made as beloved timeless well known icons throughout history.

Some, as most people are aware, have constellations in the sky named after them as well as planets in their honor.
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Was Thor an historic figure?
Any archaelogy to support Apollo?
Is there a thousand years of prediction of the coming and nature of Medussa?

Methinks you are delving into the intellectual version of moral equivalency.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Polymath257 said:
Well, he did say famous *person*.



Yep, hard to be more famous than Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Let alone Orion, Cassiopeia, and Perseus.
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True. But wasn't Thor for instance a demigod like Jesus? Part god, part human? There's a little debate about that.

I think when I first heard of the God's , aside from church, it was in science class in referencing the names behind the various constellations and planets.
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
PruePhillip said:
The thing about Buddha was that he a King Solomon type character, dispensing wisdom about earthly living - nothing about having a hope beyond this life.
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Which is why I find it is more wise: no false promises.

And Mohammad was the evil warlord and world's first Muslim antiSemite and Jew killer.
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Which goes to show that fame isn't everything. Some people think Mohammad was good and wise. Which shows that people can differ in their opinions about such.

Since this isn't a debate thread, I won't get into it further.

Other's DO disagree amongst Jews - mostly through denial and evasion.
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That is one interpretation. There are others. Again, better suited to a debate thread.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
PruePhillip said:
Was Thor an historic figure?
Any archaelogy to support Apollo?
Is there a thousand years of prediction of the coming and nature of Medussa?

Methinks you are delving into the intellectual version of moral equivalency.
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Certainly Thor was a mythological historic figure, same as Jesus Christ and others in the pantheon.

There's no denying the various temples, some still existing of course, and archeological records as well on the various gods of the day. That dosent imply they actually existed of course. Same as Jesus, it's just a mythological record containing each lore respectively and mention of those who worshipped them.
 
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PruePhillip

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Audie said:
That's only a small fraction of the deception
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This in Ephesians
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast.
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

What millions (on Google) quote is this part only
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast.

and the rest is sidelined
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do

In Exodus we read of the sin offering, the spotless male lamb, brought into the home for three days to bond with the family, but then killed and its blood daubed upon the lintel. The people were to EAT THE LAMB WHOLE. Every last bit of it.
This is a type of the Christ - the 'lamb slain from the foundation of the world'
FALSE RELIGION IS THAT WHICH PARTAKES OF THE CHOICER PORTIONS OF THE LAMB. The difficult bits get discarded.
 
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PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Twilight Hue said:
Certainly Thor was a mythological historic figure, same as Jesus Christ and others in the pantheon.

There's no denying the various temples, some still existing of course, and archeological records as well on the various gods of the day. That dosent imply they actually existed of course. Same as Jesus, it's just a mythological record containing each lore respectively and mention of those who worshipped them.
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A temple doesn't 'prove' a figure exists, only that someone worshipped it.
How can you say Jesus was mythic?
 
The Kilted Heathen

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Walter and Debbie said:
what if jesus christ is not your personal savior?
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What about it? I am in no imminent danger but for poverty at the hands of the American economy, and need no personal savior as I possess the skills to abate said financial difficulty. There is no spiritual danger that I am in, and should such a spiritual challenge appear... Well I require less saviors, and more equals lending assistance. I don't need a dead man I've never met, or am not related to.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
PruePhillip said:
A temple doesn't 'prove' a figure exists, only that someone worshipped it.
How can you say Jesus was mythic?
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How is Jesus not mythological?

There's nothing more or less associated with Jesus than it is with any other God or demigod in ancient Roman and Greek culture.
 
Aštra’el

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Jesus Christ is an Exemplar of unconditional love, empathy, humility, mercy, forgiveness, kindness, righteousness, repentance, redemption, salvation, and deliverance… among other things.

I can see why so many who genuinely resonate with these aspects of human Nature would accept Jesus into their hearts as their personal Lord and savior, and live a fulfilled life of great meaning and purpose through a Christian Weltanschauung. It is a beautiful thing… and I approve.

Even if these people do not live as saints, I see the act of “accepting Jesus as personal lord and savior”, as attuning one’s conscience and morals so that Jesus/God and all He exemplifies is the guiding light of “right”, and the primary source of spiritual inspiration. I would say, this spiritual attunement is very important for them.

Others might accept Jesus as an inspiring moral guide and teacher, but one of many. If their spiritual attunement is affected by Christ, it is on a much smaller scale.
 
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JustGeorge

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
I wouldn't say most famous. ;0]

There's certainly much to be said for the Roman and Greek pantheon of God's and demigods as well.

Can't be more famous than Thor, Zeus, Poseidon, or Apollo. Even Isis and Medusa have been made as beloved timeless well known icons throughout history.

Some, as most people are aware, have constellations in the sky named after them as well as planets in their honor.
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I have a son named for a Greek deity; Ares.

I am completely flabbergasted at the amount of people who have no idea how to pronounce his name when they read it on paper.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
PruePhillip said:
This in Ephesians
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast.
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

What millions (on Google) quote is this part only
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast.

and the rest is sidelined
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do

In Exodus we read of the sin offering, the spotless male lamb, brought into the home for three days to bond with the family, but then killed and its blood daubed upon the lintel. The people were to EAT THE LAMB WHOLE. Every last bit of it.
This is a type of the Christ - the 'lamb slain from the foundation of the world'
FALSE RELIGION IS THAT WHICH PARTAKES OF THE CHOICER PORTIONS OF THE LAMB. The difficult bits get discarded.
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Is that really how you think?
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I've never experienced any undeniable spirit from the Christian faith. Just reading the Bible all I could gather is that some people made the whole story up.

For Jesus to be Saviour then the only way to know Jesus is by the Holy Spirit. I've never come across that spirit. I've never encountered supernatural forces either.

So my only conclusion is that it's not important at all. What's important is that we all become good people if we are not there already. Life is better by virtues. A heart of virtues will make one joyous and wise. If we ponder upon those, and also try to understand reality better we will see where we are coming from and where we need to go.

It seems to me love is a product of other virtues. And anyone who truly knows love and loves wisely is already saved.

I try to be merciful, mercy is a real thing. How far should mercy extend? Christians say to the uttermost. I like to think if people get what they truly deserve they will be better off in the long run. I think that universal salvation is a real thing. True love conquers everyone, but true love don't let itself get walked on. True love be dangerous to its enemies.

I don't see being lambs to the slaughter is what true love is all about.
 
Walter and Debbie

Walter and Debbie

Member
osgart said:
I've never experienced any undeniable spirit from the Christian faith. Just reading the Bible all I could gather is that some people made the whole story up.

For Jesus to be Saviour then the only way to know Jesus is by the Holy Spirit. I've never come across that spirit. I've never encountered supernatural forces either.

So my only conclusion is that it's not important at all. What's important is that we all become good people if we are not there already. Life is better by virtues. A heart of virtues will make one joyous and wise. If we ponder upon those, and also try to understand reality better we will see where we are coming from and where we need to go.

It seems to me love is a product of other virtues. And anyone who truly knows love and loves wisely is already saved.

I try to be merciful, mercy is a real thing. How far should mercy extend? Christians say to the uttermost. I like to think if people get what they truly deserve they will be better off in the long run. I think that universal salvation is a real thing. True love conquers everyone, but true love don't let itself get walked on. True love be dangerous to its enemies.

I don't see being lambs to the slaughter is what true love is all about.
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Hello osgart, thank you.

Walter
 
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