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Bahai is correct about God in my opinion

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Bahais believe in God of Abraham. They believe God of abraham is the universal God. And that God has no spesific religion.

I agree with this,

Do you agree or disagree?
I disagree, as my God and gods don't match the description of the Abrahamic God.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, @Windwalker .

While I find a certain elegance in the elephant metaphor, I don't agree with it. Why assume there is only one elephant in the first place? That's a very monotheist, or monist, assumption. Why not assume two? Or three? Or four? There isn't any particular reason to assume one over the other, when you get right down to it. The monotheists can tell the story how they want, yeah, but when there's insistence on that being the only way to tell the story - that there's just one elephant and if you disagree you're just wrong or mistaken - is annoying. I can play those head games too and allege the worshipers of the one-god are "actually" worshiping many gods they mistake as one. I don't do that, because unlike the monotheists, polytheists don't have a habit of proselytizing.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Why do you believe Yahweh is the universal God? If that God has no specific religion why did it dictate Judaism and later Christianity and claim that if you disbelieve in the specific incarnation of the demigod son then you are unworthy?
God is behind all religions. That is why I wrote God has no specific religion
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I think that these two sentences might contradict each other. Correct me if I'm wrong.
If Abraham is the universal God, then God does have a specific religion. And Baha'is believe that that specific religion is Baha'is m.

I disagree. The religions which are canon in the Bahai faith contradict each other. In my opinion, syncretism requires some good mental gymnastics to make work. For example, Hinduism teaches reincarnation, Bahaism does not. Yet Bahais say the Hinduism is a revealed religion, even though it contradicts their own. It just doesn't make sense to me anymore.

It is possible for God to be abrahamic and universal at the same time. I believe God is behind all religions. That is why I wrote God has no specific religion

syncretism make sense in my opinion

What the religions share of belief:

Belief in a higher power who is God, forgiverness, kindness, morality laws, prophets or holy souls of God, prayers to God, heaven/hell/reincarnation and that the most important is to serve God and loving each other
 
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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Bahais believe in God of Abraham. They believe God of abraham is the universal God. And that God has no spesific religion.

I agree with this,

Do you agree or disagree?
Bahais believe in God of Abraham. They believe God of abraham is the universal God. And that God has no spesific religion.

I agree with this,

Do you agree or disagree?

I disagree,is there a historical proof of Abraham and isn’t “God of Abraham” specific and not universal.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
That is the same as saying that they are all wrong, it is just said a different way.
My point was that all the religions were right initially, before the truth of that religion became obscured by human misinterpretations and misunderstandings.

“It is an indisputable fact that religions have always changed in the course of their long history. Religion, unless it has become a faith of the ‘dead letter’, is a living thing, and to be living means to assimilate, to absorb and incorporate foreign matter. All religions have done this, and the clear source of revelation has become a broad stream made up of many tributaries. In the course of their history all religions have incorporated beliefs and practices alien to them in essence and have thereby departed from their source, the revelation. The religious heritage has been constantly increased, while the revelation has been obscured by human misinterpretations and misunderstandings.”
(Udo Schaefer,The Light Shineth in Darkness: Studies in revelation after Christ, pl. 80)

I know what you mean by social teachings and what you mean by a new message but not so sure what you mean by "spiritual teachings".
The first part of the Religion of God which refers to spiritual truth is the same in every religion. The second part of the Religion of God which refers to material things is different in each religion. It changes in each prophetic cycle to accommodate the needs of the times.

In the following passage, the Law of God refers to the divinely revealed religion of God. The spiritual message (spiritual virtues and divine qualities) are the same in all the great world religions:

“the Law of God is divided into two parts. One is the fundamental basis which comprises all spiritual things—that is to say, it refers to the spiritual virtues and divine qualities; this does not change nor alter: it is the Holy of Holies, which is the essence of the Law of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Christ, Muhammad, the Báb, and Bahá’u’lláh, and which lasts and is established in all the prophetic cycles. It will never be abrogated, for it is spiritual and not material truth; it is faith, knowledge, certitude, justice, piety, righteousness, trustworthiness, love of God, benevolence, purity, detachment, humility, meekness, patience and constancy. It shows mercy to the poor, defends the oppressed, gives to the wretched and uplifts the fallen......

These divine qualities, these eternal commandments, will never be abolished; nay, they will last and remain established for ever and ever. These virtues of humanity will be renewed in each of the different cycles; for at the end of every cycle the spiritual Law of God—that is to say, the human virtues—disappears, and only the form subsists.
Some Answered Questions, pp. 47-48
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
There is only one God, and He is the God of all religions. I dare say He was even the God of the Vikings, even if they called called Him Odin. I don't know about how other Baha'is see Odin.
Odin is a widely revered god in Germanic paganism. Norse mythology, the source of most surviving information about him, associates him with wisdom, healing, death, royalty, the gallows, knowledge, war, battle, victory, sorcery, poetry, frenzy, and the runic alphabet, and depicts him as the husband of the goddess Frigg.

Xenu also called Xemu, is a figure in the Church of Scientology's secret "Advanced Technology",[4] a sacred and esoteric teaching.[5] According to the "Technology", Xenu was the extraterrestrial ruler of a "Galactic Confederacy" who brought billions[6][7] of his people to Earth (then known as "Teegeeack") in DC-8-like spacecraft 75 million years ago, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the thetans (immortal spirits) of these aliens adhere to humans, causing spiritual harm.[1][8]
I believe God is behind all religions.
Why can't it just be mythology? Including Abraham and his God?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I disagree,is there a historical proof of Abraham and isn’t “God of Abraham” specific and not universal.
I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding.
Baha'is believe the God of Abraham is the universal God, but that universal God is not only the God of Abraham, He is the God of all the religions.

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CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I disagree, as my God and gods don't match the description of the Abrahamic God.
And you'd think that would be important. The different religions describe their Gods and Goddesses very differently. Some Gods are wrathful, vengeful and lead their people into battle. In some ways, that is how the God of Abraham sounds like. I'm fine with people continually redefining who they think God is. Why set it in stone and say, "This is what God is like, and this is who he is"?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
It is possible for God to be abrahamic and universal at the same time. I believe God is behind all religions.
But there were false gods and false religions in the Bible. The true and living God was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Ancient Egypt had more than 40 false gods, although none are mentioned by name in the Bible. They included Re, creator sun god; Isis, goddess of magic; Osiris, lord of the afterlife; Thoth, god of wisdom and the moon; and Horus, god of the sun.​
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding.
Baha'is believe the God of Abraham is the universal God, but that universal God is not only the God of Abraham, He is the God of all the religions.

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But I asked if there is any historical proof of Abraham,I don’t think there is so if there is no proof of a Abraham then what does that say about his God,Abrahmic religions state that they are the “one true religion” yet there’s no proof of even a guy who was willing to sacrifice his son.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
But I asked if there is any historical proof of Abraham,I don’t think there is so if there is no proof of a Abraham then what does that say about his God,Abrahmic religions state that they are the “one true religion” yet there’s no proof of even a guy who was willing to sacrifice his son.
The lack of historical proof is not proof that Abraham did not exist, since proof is not what makes anything exist.
Is there historical proof of all the Prophets mentioned in the Bible?
If we are not willing to believe in what has no historical proof we might as well chalk off most of the Bible.
 
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