Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
No, millions don't. To those south of us, we are the closest developed nation. Of course, those from developing nations would like it better in any developed nation, even if it's not as good as most other ones.
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Non-Americans, would you prefer U.S. style Healthcare?
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No, millions don't. To those south of us, we are the closest developed nation. Of course, those from developing nations would like it better in any developed nation, even if it's not as good as most other ones.
I voted no because if you don’t have healthcare insurance you can’t afford to pay,the UK NHS despite all of its problems is much better imo.
There have been millions of illegal immigrants arrested trying to enter the U.S. since his administration began. That number is only those we know about and doesn't include those who entered undetected.
"Federal authorities are on pace to make more than 2.3 million arrests during the 2022 fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30. That will far exceed last year’s record of more than 1.7 million arrests."
Arrests along U.S.-Mexico border top 2 million a year for the first time
Erebus
Well-Known Member
Medical tourists are far more likely to come from the US rather than go to it.
Medical Tourism Statistics and Facts | Health-Tourism.com
Funny that Mexico is a favourite destination for Americans to visit for healthcare. Sort of flips the common narrative doesn't it?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Your example is people from third world nations, and they obviously aren't insured nor are they paying out of pocket for the healthcare offered in the U.S.
We may have some of the best doctors and clinics, but only for the wealthy. We're the only first world nation where medical debt is even a thing, and where people go without needed care because they can't afford it. People are either driven into poverty or into the grave, and that's ghoulish.
I think I'll trust the words of those who actually have universal healthcare, vs. dopey swill from the right-wing propaganda trough. The poll has spoken.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Not until the things that need fixed and taken care of actually are. If we're the best nation I'm the world, let's act like it and address our problems.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
It's embarrassing how people double down on garbage even after it's been exposed for what it is.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Right?! Plus, that ignores amount we pay for insurance and the healthcare itself.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
It's a far more practical need than adding to our nuclear arsenal and keeping the space aliens at Area 51 alive.
By number, not by severity of procedure. So what?
People come to the United States for health care from all over the world, not just third world countries. The fact that so many come to the United States for health care is the real poll. And it has spoken.
Erebus
Well-Known Member
Emphasis mine. I would say that organ transplants and spinal surgery constitute severe procedures.
You're right though that most people who need immediate, emergency medical attention probably aren't going to travel abroad... obviously.
Also you've contradicted yourself:
Pick one.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I'm going with our fellow RFers on this one. Their first hand accounts are far more trustworthy than some slanted, 3rd hand anecdote.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
I didn't answer the poll because I don't fit any one option. I do have experience of several of options though. Up to just over 30 years ago I lived in England. Since then, I have lived in the USA. I have a good friend that keeps me in touch with things in the UK. My sister lives in Denmark with her Danish husband.
England as I experienced it:
I never had to worry about getting medical care, or paying for it, if I needed it. Minor conditions, like my hemorrhoids, very uncomfortable but not life threatening, were subject to a very long wait (I was told 18 months). I had BUPA (private insurance) through my employer and the surgery was done in two weeks.
England as it is now:
Apparently FUBAR. Long waits and no regular check ups. The basic system is still in place, but time is running out. That makes it a neglected system not a bad one.
USA as an employee with benefits:
Good and prompt service, but with co-pays that didn't bother me but could be onerous for some. Worrying that some stuff was not covered, and the ever present fear of losing coverage if I got fired or left voluntarily to pursue uninsured employment.
USA as an employee with no benefits, someone on Medicaid, etc:
No direct experience, but based on some friends in that position, pretty rough. For example, although Medicaid is there for the poor, try finding a doctor that accepts it. I don't know a lot about Obamacare, I believe it has improved things somewhat.
USA under Medicare with a Medicare Advantage plan (now):
Excellent care, prompt treatment, built in yearly health checks, free tier 1 and 2 drugs. Undoubtedly the best healthcare I have received in my life. Co-pays are high and could be difficult for some. Example, I was prescribed PT for my arthritic shoulder and I was having two appointments a week until I discovered that each appointment was costing me $40. The pain wasn't too bad so I quit. Last year I was diagnosed with bladder cancer. It was caught very early and surgery followed immediately, cost about $700. No recurrence since. I get a check up where they look into my bladder every three months. It costs $295 each time.
USA generally:
No system that leaves any single person uncovered can be described as "good". It's great for those who are covered, but not so much for everyone else. Drug prices are ridiculous for those that don't have insurance, and not much fun for those insured and on the more expensive levels of drugs. The uninsured are charged ridiculous prices to make up for people that don't (can't) pay their bills. If you are caught between being poor enough for Medicaid and being covered at work, God help you.
Denmark:
Both my sister and her husband have MS. They have people come in to look after them three times a day. She is often taken into hospital for a few days with bladder infections (she has a permanent catheter). They pay nothing for any of this.
England as I experienced it:
I never had to worry about getting medical care, or paying for it, if I needed it. Minor conditions, like my hemorrhoids, very uncomfortable but not life threatening, were subject to a very long wait (I was told 18 months). I had BUPA (private insurance) through my employer and the surgery was done in two weeks.
England as it is now:
Apparently FUBAR. Long waits and no regular check ups. The basic system is still in place, but time is running out. That makes it a neglected system not a bad one.
USA as an employee with benefits:
Good and prompt service, but with co-pays that didn't bother me but could be onerous for some. Worrying that some stuff was not covered, and the ever present fear of losing coverage if I got fired or left voluntarily to pursue uninsured employment.
USA as an employee with no benefits, someone on Medicaid, etc:
No direct experience, but based on some friends in that position, pretty rough. For example, although Medicaid is there for the poor, try finding a doctor that accepts it. I don't know a lot about Obamacare, I believe it has improved things somewhat.
USA under Medicare with a Medicare Advantage plan (now):
Excellent care, prompt treatment, built in yearly health checks, free tier 1 and 2 drugs. Undoubtedly the best healthcare I have received in my life. Co-pays are high and could be difficult for some. Example, I was prescribed PT for my arthritic shoulder and I was having two appointments a week until I discovered that each appointment was costing me $40. The pain wasn't too bad so I quit. Last year I was diagnosed with bladder cancer. It was caught very early and surgery followed immediately, cost about $700. No recurrence since. I get a check up where they look into my bladder every three months. It costs $295 each time.
USA generally:
No system that leaves any single person uncovered can be described as "good". It's great for those who are covered, but not so much for everyone else. Drug prices are ridiculous for those that don't have insurance, and not much fun for those insured and on the more expensive levels of drugs. The uninsured are charged ridiculous prices to make up for people that don't (can't) pay their bills. If you are caught between being poor enough for Medicaid and being covered at work, God help you.
Denmark:
Both my sister and her husband have MS. They have people come in to look after them three times a day. She is often taken into hospital for a few days with bladder infections (she has a permanent catheter). They pay nothing for any of this.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
I am in no way disputing that millions have come across the border, just the motive you give to them.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
So many people stay with a job they hate so they can keep their health insurance. Sad.
Adding to the sad fact that many doctors won't take any Medicaid products, some now won't take Medicare products.
On the one hand are millions of people that have risked their very lives to come to the United States who presumably find its health care acceptable. On the other hand there are a tiny number of people who pushed a few buttons on their computer to answer a poll on RF. And you think the latter is more significant than the former. Bully for you.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Yeah, from the third world.
Is that the benchmark you want to use for the U.S.?
Whatever other motives they have, their coming shows they find the United States health care no obstacle at the least. And it is entirely credible that they find the health care a draw. Either way that says the Unites States health care is good.
I guess you haven't read my posts. If you had you would see that people have come from all over the world.Yeah, from the third world.