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Yet another mass shooting...

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Sorry SR, this post is way too long for me to even consider responding to it (and I can already tell a lot of it's just bloat).

In my experience when somebody starts doing this in a debate they're just trying to beat the other person into submission with words.

If you want to 'win" that badly here: :trophy:
Alright the TLDR version then?
I agree that children shouldn’t be playing shooters, games have age ratings for a reason
But some games actively encourage empathy, problem solving and teamwork. Even the violent ones
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Alright the TLDR version then?
I agree that children shouldn’t be playing shooters, games have age ratings for a reason
But some games actively encourage empathy, problem solving and teamwork. Even the violent ones
Children and teens don't have that capability to immerse themselves in games like that.

They just want mindless bunnyhopping multi-player shooters with micro transactions and gambling mechanics.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Children and teens don't have that capability to immerse themselves in games like that.

They just want mindless bunnyhopping multi-player shooters with micro transactions and gambling mechanics.
Hmm yeah that’s probably true. There’s a growing concern that such mechanics used in game titles could lead to an increase in gambling addiction.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Your first article was inconclusive: "Fortunately, there is no hard eviidence that such games lead to mass murders or grisly killings".

"No hard evidence yet" isn't the same thing as evidence against which your post, the way it's phrased, seems to be suggesting.

And I don't think anybody in here is trying to make the argument that violent video games actually cause. My question was (just to make sure we're having the same conversation here), "Anybody else wonder about a connection between the rise in mass shootings and the rise in popularity of violent video games".

It was a question in regards to correlation.

At this point, there is no established correlation. That doesn't mean one won't be discovered some day, but as of yet it hasn't happened.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Of course you are. You control what your character does on screen. Those are actually your actions, therefore you're a participant.



Good to know. Here's the thing though: there are parts of you that dont actually distinguish between on screen violence and real life violence. The part of your brain that's responsible for the fight or flight response interprets threats you encounter in a video game pretty much the same way that it would to threats in real life.

There's even some evidence to a suggest that violent video games can actually cause PTSD like symptoms:
Hands Up! Atypical Defensive Reactions in Heavy Players of Violent Video Games When Exposed to Gun-Attack Pictures.



Which is probably why 99% of the population aren't mass murderers.



Addressed this twice in my previous posts.



Again: the difference I'm talking about is between being an active participant and a passive observer.
As a person diagnosed with PTSD, let me tell you that anything can trigger PTSD-like symptoms and everyone's trigger can be different.
My PTSD can be triggered by all kinds of things including particular smells or tastes, or by something completely innocuous, like someone touching my arm in a particular way, or simply the feeling of being very hot. Any one of those things can set me off into a panic attack. So I'm not sure how salient that point is toward making your argument.

Take my two cents for what it's worth.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
As a person diagnosed with PTSD, let me tell you that anything can trigger PTSD-like symptoms and everyone's trigger can be different.
My PTSD can be triggered by all kinds of things including particular smells or tastes, or by something completely innocuous, like someone touching my arm in a particular, or simply the feeling of being very hot. Any one of those things can set me off into a panic attack. So I'm not sure how salient that point is toward making your argument.

Take my two cents for what it's worth.

My Dad used to be that way. He really did not like personal fireworks when I was a kid. It probably had to do with a small camping trip that he took while he was young:

Battle of Chosin Reservoir - Wikipedia

Heck! He did not even have to walk out. He had the luxury of riding the in the back of an open truck.

It is good thing that we did not have PTSD then.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
My Dad used to be that way. He really did not like personal fireworks when I was a kid. It probably had to do with a small camping trip that he took while he was young:

Battle of Chosin Reservoir - Wikipedia

Heck! He did not even have to walk out. He had the luxury of riding the in the back of an open truck.

"On 27 November 1950, the Chinese force surprised the US X Corps commanded by Major General Edward Almond in the Chosin Reservoir area. A brutal 17-day battle in freezing weather soon followed. Between 27 November and 13 December, 30,000[1] United Nations Command troops (later nicknamed "The Chosin Few") under the field command of Major General Oliver P. Smith were encircled and attacked by about 120,000[2] Chinese troops under the command of Song Shilun, who had been ordered by Mao Zedong to destroy the UN forces. The UN forces were nevertheless able to break out of the encirclement and to make a fighting withdrawal to the port of Hungnam, inflicting heavy casualties on the Chinese. The retreat of the US Eighth Army from northwest Korea in the aftermath of the Battle of the Ch'ongch'on River and the evacuation of the X Corps from the port of Hungnam in northeast Korea marked the complete withdrawal of UN troops from North Korea."

Oh my! :eek: Your poor father. I can see why he'd never want to see or hear another firework for his entire life. I have no idea how people lived through that kind of stuff. Unreal.
It is good thing that we did not have PTSD then.

Whew!:confused:
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Guns have always been around in recent history, and we absolutely should talk about guns and restrictions and what is or is not constitutional. I hope we can also talk about the increase in active shooter incidents. We’ve always had guns in the US. Why is the number of active shooter incidents increasing and what can we do about it?
You bring up important points/ questions which must be discussed in order to actually deal with and stop the problem.
 
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