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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
The particulars of the story are stated and independently verifiable. Your approval of the source is not required.

There are actual stats and information available on this topic if you're interested in drawing larger conclusions. Using a human interest story to draw larger conclusions is fraught with danger/bias.

Health Care Wait Times by Country 2022

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A common misconception in the U.S. is that countries with universal health care have much longer wait times. However, data from nations with universal coverage, coupled with historical data from coverage expansion in the United States, show that patients in other nations often have similar or shorter wait times.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
The privatized U.S. Healthcare system is a predatory racket that price gauges and drives people into massive debt. It's imbecilic to suggest that it's preferable.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
There are actual stats and information available on this topic if you're interested in drawing larger conclusions. Using a human interest story to draw larger conclusions is fraught with danger/bias.

Health Care Wait Times by Country 2022

Quote from source:
A common misconception in the U.S. is that countries with universal health care have much longer wait times. However, data from nations with universal coverage, coupled with historical data from coverage expansion in the United States, show that patients in other nations often have similar or shorter wait times.
That is a biased source. The OECD (the primary source) is not a credible source. Also, if you bothered to look at your own source, you would see that the wait in U.S. to see a specialist was 21% versus in the U.K. at 41%. It was also less than for Canada, Norway, Sweden and New Zealand.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The privatized U.S. Healthcare system is a predatory racket that price gauges and drives people into massive debt. It's imbecilic to suggest that it's preferable.
Then why do Canadians , with UHC up and running themselves, keep coming over to the US side for private healthcare?
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Did you read it? It says you will be charged 100% "unless you take action". The action is dependent on the individual circumstances. Those without the resources to pay 100% have options.
People tend to have to jump through hoops to get discounts, etc. Who wants to take the time to fill out paperwork, get invoices, etc, together, and be denied over and over, etc, while they are sick? I have worked in social services and medical billing. They don't want to pay and make it extremely hard for people to get out of it. Hospitals are financially drained, so they don't want any more problems.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
People tend to have to jump through hoops to get discounts, etc. Who wants to take the time to fill out paperwork, get invoices, etc, together, and be denied over and over, etc, while they are sick? I have worked in social services and medical billing. They don't want to pay and make it extremely hard for people to get out of it. Hospitals are financially drained, so they don't want any more problems.
Of course it is difficult to deal with paperwork when you are not well. Thankfully there are usually social workers, hospital staff and others that can help in difficult times. Hospitals and doctors a vested interest in helping people with means to make the costs of their care manageable.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Of course it is difficult to deal with paperwork when you are not well. Thankfully there are usually social workers, hospital staff and others that can help in difficult times. Hospitals and doctors a vested interest in helping people with means to make the costs of their care manageable.

They are overworked and underpaid. It is very time consuming. I was one of those social workers. It's like spinning your wheels. It's frustrating.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
That is a biased source. The OECD (the primary source) is not a credible source. Also, if you bothered to look at your own source, you would see that the wait in U.S. to see a specialist was 21% versus in the U.K. at 41%. It was also less than for Canada, Norway, Sweden and New Zealand.

You seem to be trying to have it both ways. My source is biased, but your anecdotal OP is 'representative'. My source is biased, apart from the figures around greater than one month waiting times for specialists, at which point you suddenly want to use those figures, whilst also accusing me of not having read my own source.

Pick a lane, dude.
 
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