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Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
That is verbal reality, I speak of non-verbal reality. There are no thoughts or concepts existing in actual timeless reality, all is as it is, nothing new under the sun.

Well, fantasies are in reality or non-reality exists.

Which is to say religion, spirituality, and fantasies are symbolic and of the reality of metaphor. That's a good thing! It need not be justified logically and it means a person can better adapt the concept to their personal lives, making it more powerful than interpreting it as literal history.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Which is to say religion, spirituality, and fantasies are symbolic and of the reality of metaphor. That's a good thing! It need not be justified logically and it means a person can better adapt the concept to their personal lives, making it more powerful than interpreting it as literal history.

As long as some doesn't claim they are real as say gravity.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Except for your mind, apparently. If you claim we can't conceive of something, that means we can't know anything about it, including whether it exists or not. You calling it spiritual "reality" doesn't make it reality. Especially given that you can't seem to actually describe, measure, test, etc. it in any demonstrable way.

You should have just said that you can't demonstrate that Satan exists and/or is capable of deceiving anyone. Because that's reality, apparently.
Your mind operates on a relative basis only, it is apparently yet unaware of non dual awareness. Non dual awareness exists when the mind is still and free from thought. When there is no thinker, there is no I present to know or not know anything. Unless you devote your life to understand what you really are, the relative dualistic awareness of reality is all you have to work with.
 
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Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Which is to say religion, spirituality, and fantasies are symbolic and of the reality of metaphor. That's a good thing! It need not be justified logically and it means a person can better adapt the concept to their personal lives, making it more powerful than interpreting it as literal history.
You do not understand, so is science symbolic of reality, only the transcendent non dual mind state is non symbolic. Perhaps it is easier to understand by explaining that there is relative reality and actual reality. So long as there is an observer of reality, it is relative. To apprehend the non dual, ie., actual reality, the observer must disappear.

Religious practice is meant to go beyond the dualistic mind to the transcendent spiritual unity.
 
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mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Your mind operates on a relative basis only, it is apparently yet unaware of non dual awareness. Non dual awareness exists when the mind is still and free from thought. When there is no thinker, there is no I present to know or not know anything. Unless you devote your life to understand what you really are, the relative dualistic awareness of reality is all you have to work with.

Well, I don't want to learn that. Then what?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Your mind operates on a relative basis only, it is apparently yet unaware of non dual awareness. Non dual awareness exists when the mind is still and free from thought. When there is no thinker, there is no I present to know or not know anything. Unless you devote your life to understand what you really are, the relative dualistic awareness of reality is all you have to work with.
Gobbledy gookedy doo.

I asked for evidence about your Satan claims. And I get nothing but word salad and condescension.
Alrighty then. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Gobbledy gookedy doo.

I asked for evidence about your Satan claims. And I get nothing but word salad and condescension.
Alrighty then. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Fine ST, I wish you well in your life's journey.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You are all the evidence needed, your ego self appears closed to the light of the universal awareness.
I'm all the evidence that's needed to determine that Satan exists and influences people? Is that your serious answer?

“World salad is a circular conversation to avoid the real topic.”
― Tracy A. Malone
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
I'm all the evidence that's needed to determine that Satan exists and influences people? Is that your serious answer?

“World salad is a circular conversation to avoid the real topic.”
― Tracy A. Malone
Not taking it seriously is what to be expected of atheists, that is the Satanic influence.

Satan is the adversary of God, it is Satanic influence that causes souls to deny God's existence.

Who Is Satan? - Biblical Archaeology
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Not taking it seriously is what to be expected of atheists, that is the Satanic influence.

Satan is the adversary of God, it is Satanic influence that causes souls to deny God's existence.

Who Is Satan? - Biblical Archaeology
This conversation has gone absolutely no where because you can't demonstrate any of this and all you have to offer is word salad and empty assertions.

The great juju at the bottom of the ocean is the adversary of people who believe in god. You don't have a soul because he sucked it out and ate it for breakfast. He's coming for your brain next. Good luck!
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
This conversation has gone absolutely no where because you can't demonstrate any of this and all you have to offer is word salad and empty assertions.

The great juju at the bottom of the ocean is the adversary of people who believe in god. You don't have a soul because he sucked it out and ate it for breakfast. He's coming for your brain next. Good luck!
This conversation has brought forth the evidence that you are an adversary of God by denying His existence and constantly attempting to belittle those who devote themselves to a religious life.

Btw, there are now many Christians who are expecting the world is in or near the time of fulfillment of end times prophecy, fireworks ahead! :)
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
This conversation has brought forth the evidence that you are an adversary of God by denying His existence and constantly attempting to belittle those who devote themselves to a religious life.
You've done all the belittling here, pal. You're telling me I'm an "adversary of God" and that Satan is influencing me.
That's after I asked for evidence of these claims.
You haven't presented any. Just more claims.
You should have just said you don't have any evidence and then we could've just moved on.

Btw, there are now many Christians who are expecting the world is in or near the time of fulfillment of end times prophecy, fireworks ahead! :)
Yeah, yeah, people have been saying that for centuries. Keep dreamin'.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
You've done all the belittling here, pal. You're telling me I'm an "adversary of God" and that Satan is influencing me.
That's after I asked for evidence of these claims.
You haven't presented any. Just more claims.
You should have just said you don't have any evidence and then we could've just moved on.

Yeah, yeah, people have been saying that for centuries. Keep dreamin'.
It's not my saying that is evidence, it is your anti-God proactive attitude that is the evidence. Your consistent asking for evidence, and btw as if any observant soul was not already aware of you being an adversary of God based religion, is merely a lame attempt to misdirect.

Now it is my understanding that an adversary of God would not admit to being an adversary of God, so naturally one would expect you would deny it, but in any event, is it really rational to believe that a Godless person would live by the Lord's commandments wrt honesty?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It's not my saying that is evidence, it is your anti-God proactive attitude that is the evidence. Your consistent asking for evidence, and btw as if any observant soul was not already aware of you being an adversary of God based religion, is merely a lame attempt to misdirect.
Anti-God proactive attitude? Dude, all I asked for was evidence of your claims about Satan.
I'm interested in believing in true things and not believing in false things. Aren't you?

Now it is my understanding that an adversary of God would not admit to being an adversary of God, so naturally one would expect you would deny it, but in any event, is it really rational to believe that a Godless person would live by the Lord's commandments wrt honesty?
Your understanding of something for which you have no evidence? Cool story.

My understanding is that you're a snozzburger, sent here by Shoopley to do his evil bidding and that somebody who was doing so would never admit to it and could not possibly be considered an honest person. Your anti-Shoopley attitude is all the evidence necessary to confirm this.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Anti-God proactive attitude? Dude, all I asked for was evidence of your claims about Satan.
I'm interested in believing in true things and not believing in false things. Aren't you?

Your understanding of something for which you have no evidence? Cool story.

My understanding is that you're a snozzburger, sent here by Shoopley to do his evil bidding and that somebody who was doing so would never admit to it and could not possibly be considered an honest person. Your anti-Shoopley attitude is all the evidence necessary to confirm this.
For heaven's sake, how many times does it have to be explained, 'Satan' means adversary of God, if you love God you are not satanic, do you love God?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
For heaven's sake, how many times does it have to be explained, 'Satan' means adversary of God, if you love God you are not satanic, do you love God?
No, that is merely an Abrahamic definition, it is not the only one, and it is likely not even a correct one.
 
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