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Yet another mass shooting...

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
The rest of the world doesn't have the degenerate, violent, drug addicted, godless culture that America has.

Well, I don't know, I think there are people who just plain have too much of something loose. I myself, never want to fight. I haven't gotten into a fight since I was a young teenager. Unfortunately, I have gotten into plenty of yelling matches however, which I am sorry for doing. I do get angry, probably because I'm not always a good communicator. But no physical fighting for me, I will not do that.

Some people can't manage whatever pain they have, and I think they let it darken them, and it manifests itself in horrendous ways. And it could take the route of violence or drinking, or whatever else. I was raised by an alcoholic, I heard yelling and negativity daily. I was raised in a way that would make you mean. But I stopped myself from going all the way down the road to drink or drugs or whatever. I do get angry, but I manage it enough not to fight anyone, and I never want to hurt anyone.
 
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Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
One reason is the availability of much more lethal guns.
But are guns the cause or the symptom? Does gun availability alone cause shootings or does bad character cause the desire for deadlier guns? Americans from the get go have an anomalous attitude. We value individualism over communalism. Most other societies run on communalism. Don't read that as communism please...
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
But are guns the cause or the symptom? Does gun availability alone cause shootings or does bad character cause the desire for deadlier guns? Americans from the get go have an anomalous attitude. We value individualism over communalism. Most other societies run on communalism. Don't read that as communism please...

I don't think individualism causes crime, personally (or at least, the situation is not that simple). Homicidal people exist in all corners of the world. We don't have a monopoly on crazy here. What we do have an abundance of are weapons that are designed to efficiently inflict maximum damage. And very easy access to those weapons.

If we're going to address a unique cultural factor that underlies these shootings, it should be our obsession with guns.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member

From the site:

"FEE's mission is to inspire, educate, and connect future leaders with the economic, ethical, and legal principles of a free society.
These principles include: individual liberty, free-market economics, entrepreneurship, private property, high moral character, and limited government."

Anything less overtly right wing?
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
I don't think individualism causes crime, personally (or at least, the situation is not that simple). Homicidal people exist in all corners of the world. We don't have a monopoly on crazy here. What we do have an abundance of are weapons that are designed to efficiently inflict maximum damage. And very easy access to those weapons.

If we're going to address a unique cultural factor that underlies these shootings, it should be our obsession with guns.

The obsession to me is the issue. Obsessions are never a positive. We do need to figure out why some are obsessed with guns. It may be due to misanthropic views.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
From the site:

"FEE's mission is to inspire, educate, and connect future leaders with the economic, ethical, and legal principles of a free society.
These principles include: individual liberty, free-market economics, entrepreneurship, private property, high moral character, and limited government."

Anything less overtly right wing?
Funny how those who claim to champion "individual liberty" oppose gay marriage, bodily sovernity, and cannabis legalization.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Exactly. If we're going to have guns, they should all require licencing, training, testing, taxes, fees, etc. all reccuring.

They don't want the government doing that, since the government has the power to take guns away. They sometimes get guns to protect from government officials coming to take them.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
The rest of the world doesn't have the degenerate, violent, drug addicted, godless culture that America has.


I think you’ll find that your country’s social problems aren’t actually that unique. In London, where I live, we have a fairly serious problem with knife crime, usually but not always involving members of rival gangs. And a lot of them are barely more than kids. But knives are a lot less dangerous than guns. There have been occasions where a madman has run amok with a knife on a busy street, but when that’s happened, the perpetrators were overpowered pretty quickly. I’m pretty sure that if we had as many guns in London as you do in American cities, we’d have as many shootings. Not sure about the countryside though; and gun toting pastors (like Marvin Gaye’s father) seem to be a peculiarly American phenomenon.
 
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