Fox news: Trump will be reinstated to Twitter

Father Heathen · Nov 20, 2022

Aštra’el said:
Twitter is quickly becoming far less of a left wing echo chamber. Good riddance. Maybe Elon can take over Religious Forums next.

Debater Slayer said:
The fact that someone with views like yours is here at all proves that RF is not the echo chamber you insinuate it is. Most people who have an empathetic and healthy perspective on the world just simply don't share your far-right politics.

Any discourse grounded in reason, ethics, empathy, and good faith will naturally appear to have a liberal bias.

Debater Slayer · Nov 20, 2022

Revoltingest said:
One should always strive for a sense of proportion.

That's the ideal scenario. You rarely ever get an even distribution of ideologies among the membership in any large venue, though.

Enjoying additional venues is useful.

I enjoy a couple of gaming sites and a few car pages on social media. To each their own, of course.

Father Heathen · Nov 20, 2022

Estro Felino said:
Okay, I don't know the exact story...but I think if the poll results say he can return...well...Vox Populi, Vox Dei.

**** is a delicacy if you pole 15 million flies.

Stevicus · Nov 20, 2022

Father Heathen said:
MySpace is still around.

I was surprised to see that. I thought they disappeared completely, but I guess they're still operating. (Myspace - Wikipedia)

Interestingly, the company was purchased by Rupert Murdoch in 2005 for $580 million, then it was sold again in 2011 for $35 million, then again in 2016 for $87 million. While they once had 1600 employees in 2009, now they only have 150.

Debater Slayer · Nov 20, 2022

Father Heathen said:
Any discourse grounded in reason, ethics, empathy, and good faith will naturally appear to have a liberal bias.

Even if it doesn't appear to have a liberal bias, I think it will almost never be on the extremely far right or the extremely far left. Ideologies like fascism, neo-Nazism, Marxism-Leninism, and Marxism-Stalinism are inherently inhumane and based on brutality and dehumanization of perceived ideological enemies.

Revoltingest · Nov 20, 2022

Debater Slayer said:
I enjoy a couple of gaming sites and a few car pages on social media. To each their own, of course.

Other forums I'm on tend to be rather fundie.
I post to seek the result....
"Hey, those heathens are OK.
I can see some merit there."

Debater Slayer · Nov 20, 2022

Revoltingest said:
Other forums I'm on tend to be rather fundie.
I post to seek the result....
"Hey, those heathens are OK.
I can see some merit there."

Most people I meet in person tend to be conservative or fundamentalist, so I get to seek that result without looking for it online. I think it makes sense for you, though. Nothing wrong with that.

Father Heathen · Nov 20, 2022

Estro Felino said:
Whenever I listen to this man, I think he is blessed by God. I don't want to sound like someone excessively patronizing him, but he sounds like a man who succeeded thanks to his passion and commitment.
Unlike other tycoons, obsessed with a self-destructive profit maximization that eventually leads them to their demise. I have seen them.

So no material things make him take decisions. But the thirst for justice and the desire to re-establish equity (the law id equal for all).
You don't need to be a theist (he is not) to behave as a Christian should, in my humble opinion.

You must have a very low opinion of God, then. Wouldn't morals and honesty matter to him? Trump had swindled and defrauded many, suffered countless business failures and bankruptcies, has sexually harassed and assaulted women, and lies constantly and consistently. He's trash.

Now run along to confession and pray that God will forgive your blasphemy.

Revoltingest · Nov 20, 2022

Father Heathen said:
Any discourse grounded in reason, ethics, empathy, and good faith will naturally appear to have a liberal bias.

That's a common problem with liberals (& those vile
conservatives), ie, they believe they singularly correct.
The algorithm....
Start with what one already believes, & then support it.
Discard contra-indicating facts, cull useful ones, arrange
them carefully, select a winnable argument, make no
attempt to understand the other side....
Voila!
One has The Truth!
Feelings of superiority & righteousness bloom within.

Revoltingest · Nov 20, 2022

Debater Slayer said:
Most people I meet in person tend to be conservative or fundamentalist, so I get to seek that result without looking for it online. I think it makes sense for you, though. Nothing wrong with that.

Surprisingly, even I regularly dabble in real life.
Great diversity of thought there.

Stevicus · Nov 20, 2022

Revoltingest said:
That's a common problem with liberals (& those vile
conservatives), ie, they believe they singularly correct.
The algorithm....
Start with what one already believes, & then support it.
Discard contra-indicating facts, cull useful ones, arrange
them carefully, select a winnable argument, make no
attempt to understand the other side....
Voila!
One has The Truth!
Feelings of superiority & righteousness bloom within.

That pretty much sums every political discussion, in a nutshell.

Estro Felino · Nov 20, 2022

Father Heathen said:
You must have a very low opinion of God, then. Wouldn't morals and honesty matter to him? Trump had swindled and defrauded many, suffered countless business failures and bankruptcies, has sexually harassed and assaulted women, and lies constantly and consistently. He's trash.

Now run along to confession and pray that God will forgive your blasphemy.

I was speaking of Musk.
Musk is not a theist. Re-read it.

Debater Slayer · Nov 20, 2022

Revoltingest said:
That's a common problem with liberals (& those vile
conservatives), ie, they believe they singularly correct.
The algorithm....
Start with what one already believes, & then support it.
Discard contra-indicating facts, cull useful ones, arrange
them carefully, select a winnable argument, make no
attempt to understand the other side....
Voila!
One has The Truth!
Feelings of superiority & righteousness bloom within.

Some views innately require a faulty and unempathetic algorithm to arrive at, though. See neo-Nazism and Stalinism for two examples.

Father Heathen · Nov 20, 2022

Debater Slayer said:
Even if it doesn't appear to have a liberal bias, I think it will almost never be on the extremely far right or the extremely far left. Ideologies like fascism, neo-Nazism, Marxism-Leninism, and Marxism-Stalinism are inherently inhumane and based on brutality and dehumanization of perceived ideological enemies.

Those terms are often used as slurs that don't actually describe who they're directed at; i.e. anyone left of center = "communist", anyone right of center = "fascist", etc.

Also, both sides hesitate to denounce the lunatic fringe within their own ranks, which doesn't help.

Revoltingest · Nov 20, 2022

Debater Slayer said:
Some views innately require a faulty and unempathetic algorithm to arrive at, though. See neo-Nazism and Stalinism for two examples.

It all depends upon what values one has.
Starting with those, arguments will vary
from person to person.

Debater Slayer · Nov 20, 2022

Revoltingest said:
It all depends upon what values one has.
Starting with those, arguments will vary
from person to person.

I'll die on the hill of the values and arguments that regard neo-Nazism and Stalinism as abusive and inhumane ideologies.

stvdv · Nov 20, 2022

Snow White said:
What really surprised me is that, apparently, the majority of users voted "yes" on reinstating Trump's account. But if it was mostly Elon Musk followers that did, like if the poll question was asked on Elon Musk's account, it surprises me less.

Good to hear that Trump will be reinstated to Twitter

Debater Slayer · Nov 20, 2022

Father Heathen said:
Those terms are often used as slurs that don't actually describe who they're directed at; i.e. anyone left of center = "communist", anyone right of center = "fascist", etc.

And anyone who supports the basic rights of LGBT people and ethnic minorities is "woke" (used as a slur) or a "SJW," while any critic of Islam is "Islamophobic."

Vague terms that are conveniently malleable and prone to ideological weaponization are among the core plagues of the age of social media.

Father Heathen · Nov 20, 2022

Estro Felino said:
I was speaking of Musk.
Musk is not a theist. Re-read it.

Musk isn't much better. :shrug:

Both were born into wealth and privilege, which accounts for most of their "success".

Father Heathen · Nov 20, 2022

Debater Slayer said:
And anyone who supports the basic rights of LGBT people and ethnic minorities is "woke" (used as a slur) or a "SJW," while any critic of Islam is "Islamophobic."

Vague terms that are conveniently malleable and prone to ideological weaponization are among the core plagues of the age of social media.

Even a restaurant offering a plant based meat alternative as an option on their menu is "woke" and cause for outcry.

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