"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

exchemist said:
Many practising Christians do not believe the bible is the only rule of faith. Sola scriptura was a Protestant invention at the Reformation. It did not apply during the previous 1500 years of existence of the Christian churches, nor has it applied since to Catholic, Orthodox or most Anglican Christians.

Actually that is not true at all. Scripture alone has always been a teaching from the scriptures. Happy to discuss the details and prove this with scripture alone if your interested. Tradition over scripture has never been a teaching of the bible.

Brian2 · Nov 19, 2022

3rdAngel said:
God Sabbath and 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is a law for Christians. It's one of God's 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) that according to the new covenant scriptures give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4. James in James 2:10-11 says if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11 and Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 says that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This then begs the question, if we are following man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God who are we worshiping God or man?

It sound like you are saying that what Paul said is man-made teachings.
If God has made something clean then we should not say it is unclean. (Acts 10:14-15)
You should read around the quotes you gave to get a better sense of the meaning.
The 1 John quote is countering those who said that the acts of the body meant nothing and that it did not matter if we sinned.

Subduction Zone · Nov 19, 2022

3rdAngel said:
Actually no. Exodus 34 only agrees with what has already been shared with you here. If you read the scripture context in Exodus 34:1 You will see God is asking Moses to cut out two more stone tablets that he broke earlier coming down the mountain when he saw the children of Israel dancing around the golden calf idol. God says that he will write on them again. Exodus 32:16 tells us that the writing of the 10 commandments on the tables of stone were the work of God and the writing was the writing of God with Gods' own finger.

Hope this helps.

You clearly did not read it. This is the "fourth" Commandment listed. Just wait until you get to number 10!

"18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt."

Brian2 · Nov 19, 2022

Valjean said:
But wasn't it always a law, one of the ten commandments, in fact?
I think it was changed during the period the Christians were distancing themselves from the Jews and establishing their sect as a separate religion.. Keeping the original Shabbat was considered "Judaizing."

It was keeping law to be classed righteous which was opposed to the gospel message.
This does not mean that the law is done away with but Christians are to love God and love our neighbour and follow the guidance of the Spirit. Loving God and neighbour fulfills the whole Mosaic Law in the New Covenant. The Law of Moses is specifically for those under that Covenant.

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

metis said:
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown is the "Lord's Day", but since the vast majority of Christians after the 1st century were Gentiles, it really doesn't make any difference which day was chosen. Shabbat is only mandatory for Jews per Torah.

You are correct Gods' seventh day Sabbath starts from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset according to the scriptures and the Sabbath not Sunday according to the scriptures is "the Lords day" as shown in the OP. However you are quote wrong in regards to the Sabbath only being for Jew. According to Jesus there was no Moses, no Jew, no Hebrew, no Israel when God made the Sabbath for all mankind. God never made His covenant promise to gentiles and Gods' Israel in the new covenant are no longer those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who have been born into Gods' new covenant by faith in Gods' Word and have been born of His Spirit (see Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29. Gentile believers have now been grafted in with Jewish believer according to Romans 11:13-26 and we are all now one in Christ. If you are not a part of Gods' Israel through faith in Gods' Word you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise and are still in your sins.

Hope this helps.

Subduction Zone · Nov 19, 2022

3rdAngel said:
Actually that is not true at all. Scripture alone has always been a teaching from the scriptures. Happy to discuss the details and prove this with scripture alone if your interested. Tradition over scripture has never been a teaching of the bible.

That would actually be a circular argument at best. It would only be your interpretation of scripture and to even being to be valid you would have to demonstrate scripture to be trustworthy in the first place.

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
You clearly did not read it. This is the "fourth" Commandment listed. Just wait until you get to number 10!

"18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt."

As posted to you earlier your disregarding scripture context which disagrees with you...

Exodus 34:1 1, ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
That would actually be a circular argument at best. It would only be your interpretation of scripture and to even being to be valid you would have to demonstrate scripture to be trustworthy in the first place.

No not at all. Only God's Words are the standard of what is true and what is not true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts 5:29. If what we believe is in disagreement with the scriptures it is Gods Word that is true not ours.

Harel13 · Nov 19, 2022

3rdAngel said:
Like the claim that "the Lords day" is Sunday, there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This also is a man-made teaching and tradition of the RCC.

So do you keep all of the commandments?

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

Brian2 said:
It was keeping law to be classed righteous which was opposed to the gospel message.
This does not mean that the law is done away with but Christians are to love God and love our neighbour and follow the guidance of the Spirit. Loving God and neighbour fulfills the whole Mosaic Law in the New Covenant. The Law of Moses is specifically for those under that Covenant.

None of us can be saved by keeping the law because we have all sinned and broken Gods law and stand guilty before God of sin and death according to Romans 3:9-23. So none of us can be righteous by law keeping. However, Gods forgiveness is so we can walk in newness of life, to be born of His Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (see Romans 6:1-23 and Galatians 5:16). Those who have been born into Gods' new covenant promise to love obey Gods' Word from the heart and fulfill God's law according to Paul in Romans 13:8-10; Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-4. According to John sin is the transgression of Gods' law in 1 John 3:4 and those who are born of God to walk in His Spirit do not practice sin (break Gods commandments in 1 John 3:6-9. Sin is the difference between those who are the children of God and those who are the children of the devil. God's children do not practice sin or break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments (see 1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments in John 14:15.

God bless

Subduction Zone · Nov 19, 2022

3rdAngel said:
No not at all. Only God's Words are the standard of what is true and what is not true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts 5:29. If what we believe is in disagreement with the scriptures it is Gods Word that is true not ours.

Sorry but that is a failure. You are assuming that the Bible is "God's word". Now if you are only playing fan fiction games then have at it. But as you know fan fiction does not have anything to do with reality.

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

Harel13 said:
So do you keep all of the commandments?

I believe and love Gods' Word and love Gods' law. I obey Gods' law because I have been forgiven of my sins and have been born again to walk in God's Spirit and follow in his steps. His Words make my feet to walk on water. Without Him I cannot do anything at all.

Subduction Zone · Nov 19, 2022

3rdAngel said:
As posted to you earlier your disregarding scripture context which disagrees with you...

Exodus 34:1 1, ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

No, that does not go against me at all. It is rather apparent from the Commandments on the second set of stones that Moses was winging it in the myth and was not very accurate.

Here are the Ten Commandments that God carved into stone and would have been in the Ark of the Covenant:

14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 “Do not make any idols.

18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.

“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.

25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.

26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.

“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
Sorry but that is a failure. You are assuming that the Bible is "God's word". Now if you are only playing fan fiction games then have at it. But as you know fan fiction does not have anything to do with reality.

Please forgive me but I do not believe you. Gods Words are not a failure they are the standard of what is true and what is not true. You have only been provided God's Words that disagree with your words that are not God's Word so we will of course agree to disagree. For me only God's Words are true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures (Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29)

Take Care.

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
No, that does not go against me at all. It is rather apparent from the Commandments on the second set of stones that Moses was winging it in the myth and was not very accurate.

Here are the Ten Commandments that God carved into stone and would have been in the Ark of the Covenant:

14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

17 “Do not make any idols.

18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.

19 “The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock. 20 Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons.

“No one is to appear before me empty-handed.

21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

22 “Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year. 23 Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.

25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.

26 “Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the Lord your God.

“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

Actually it does go against what your saying as your ignoring scripture context again that disagrees with you here....

Exodus 34:1 1, ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I (first person God talking) will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

God is writing them not Moses. Moses job was just to get the new stone tablets for God to write on.

Harel13 · Nov 19, 2022

3rdAngel said:
I believe and love Gods' Word and love Gods' law. I obey Gods' law because I have been forgiven of me sins and have been born again to walk in God's Spirit and follow in his steps. His Words make my feet to walk on water. Without Him I cannot do anything at all.

So you don't keep all of the commandments but take issue with an old Christian tradition that changes a commandment that you don't even keep. Okay, suit yourself.

Subduction Zone · Nov 19, 2022

3rdAngel said:
Please forgive me but I do not believe you. Gods Words are not a failure they are the standard of what is true and what is not true. You have only been provided God's Words that disagree with your words that are not God's Word so we will of course agree to disagree. For me only God's Words are true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures (Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29)

Take Care.

What are you talking about? It does not matter if you believe me or not. You are trying to support a claim. I am only telling you how to do it? Do you need reference? I could gladly give them to you.

You really have no idea if you are just brainwashed or following the truth.

Subduction Zone · Nov 19, 2022

3rdAngel said:
Actually it does go against what your saying as your ignoring scripture context again that disagrees with you here....

Exodus 34:1 1, ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I (first person God talking) will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

God is writing them not Moses. Moses job was just to get the new stone tablets for God to write on.

No, that would be you. You cannot assume that Moses got it right. He broke the tablets. He was POed at his followers. He could easily have made mistakes. The clear context is that the second set is the right one. I know, weird "Commandments". But that is your religion.

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

I believe and love Gods' Word and love Gods' law. I obey Gods' law because I have been forgiven of me sins and have been born again to walk in God's Spirit and follow in his steps. His Words make my feet to walk on water. Without Him I cannot do anything at all.

Your response...

Harel13 said:
So you don't keep all of the commandments but take issue with an old Christian tradition that changes a commandment that you don't even keep. Okay, suit yourself.

Please read what you are quoting from dear friend before posting it will be helpful to the discussion.

3rdAngel · Nov 19, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
No, that would be you. You cannot assume that Moses got it right. He broke the tablets. He was POed at his followers. He could easily have made mistakes. The clear context is that the second set is the right one. I know, weird "Commandments". But that is your religion.

Nope. It is you that is assuming, I am just providing you with scripture context that disagrees with you. You can choose to believe as you wish. That is between you and God. I do not judge you. It is the Words of God we accept or reject that become our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48

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