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Twitter Fact Checks Senator Warren

Subduction Zone

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Stevicus

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Seems that the holiday the Dems did have with Twitter is over.
I now see why the Dems were worried about Musk taking control of Twitter.
Twitter fact-checks Sen. Warren's student debt claims

The statement that was fact-checked: "Let’s be clear: President Biden has the legal authority to cancel student debt."

I don't interpret this statement as a "fact." She is making an opinion on the law, which she is qualified to do, since she did go to law school and has a degree in law.

It's also common in U.S. politics to make opinions which can sound very forceful, confident, and arrogant to the point where it can sound like they're not only stating a fact, but making some sort of grand pronouncement from a Divine source. But ultimately, it's still just an opinion. Even the Supreme Court can only render opinions, but since they carry legal force which can call up the power of millions of heavily-armed, well-trained military and law enforcement personnel, their "opinions" can be quite powerful indeed.

But in 20 years, another Court might have another opinion, and then it all changes again.
 
Seems that the holiday the Dems did have with Twitter is over.
I now see why the Dems were worried about Musk taking control of Twitter.
Twitter fact-checks Sen. Warren's student debt claims

Twitter appears to have now "un-fact checked" it :D

Was probably 'bird watch"/community notes anyway where users, not Twitter, could "add context" to posts (just like I'm adding context to your OP), but the policy has been scaled back recently. It doesn't necessarily mean something is wrong, it can just mean it is debatable.

So I wouldn't get too excited about the libs getting owned, as I'm pretty sure you could justifiably "add context" to 90% of party political tweets.

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Twilight Hue

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I have no problem with fact checking. As long as it is done to both sides.

Meanwhile, Facebook has a different approach. Candidates for political office cannot be fact checked during their campaigns by the professional service that does this for them. They already declared Hands Off on Trump. Banning fact checking of candidates is going too far:

Facebook fact-checkers will stop checking Trump after presidential bid announcement | CNN Politics
Agree. Fackcheck shouldn't be used as a political or biased platform.
 

Ponder This

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Seems that the holiday the Dems did have with Twitter is over.
I now see why the Dems were worried about Musk taking control of Twitter.
Twitter fact-checks Sen. Warren's student debt claims

IMO: It is extremely inappropriate for twitter to fact-check comments - that includes this comment from Senator Warren.

If you read the comment it is not hard, imo, to see why. Senator Warren very clearly stated her belief. Beliefs are often stated as if they are true. Beliefs are, essentially, opinion as opposed to fact. But twitter decided to fact-check her opinion. This amounts to twitter announcing that it is wrong for Senator Warren to hold her opinion about student debt relief.

IMO, that is unacceptable behavior on the part of twitter even if it is true that experts disagree on whether the president can authorize widespread debt cancellation through an executive order.
 

metis

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Oh gee, another opinion piece from the objectivity of Fox, eh?

Sorry if I'm underwhelmed by the source, and one can feel the same way if I post an opinion piece from MSNBC and/or CNN, which I never do.
 

SomeRandom

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Seems that the holiday the Dems did have with Twitter is over.
I now see why the Dems were worried about Musk taking control of Twitter.
Twitter fact-checks Sen. Warren's student debt claims
I’m of the opinion that we should all be fact checking more frequently.
But politicians lie as often as they speak lol
In saying that, it appears this senator just stated her opinion assertively. Which is kind of what we all do, really.
Like who cares? If she were trying to push a conspiracy theory or saying some bigoted crap, then I can see a reason to push back.
 

sun rise

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An outlet full of lies and damn lies "fact checks"? This thread belongs in jokes.
 

wellwisher

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I’m of the opinion that we should all be fact checking more frequently.
But politicians lie as often as they speak lol
In saying that, it appears this senator just stated her opinion assertively. Which is kind of what we all do, really.
Like who cares? If she were trying to push a conspiracy theory or saying some bigoted crap, then I can see a reason to push back.

Even conspiracy theories can be an opinion. If Warren had been able to motivate the mob, based on her legal opinion, that is also self serving to her, then this can become the seeds of a conspiracy theory, if she does not get her way. It is good to push back, after seeing the obvious end game. She is a lawyer trying to create a legal precedent using peer pressure.

The work around to avoid censorship, can be for people, to claim in advance, this is what I think and this is my opinion. I am not claiming to know everything. If we avoid this disclaimer, we can use people tricks; tell people what they want to hear. But if we say this is an opinion, we can teach each other new tricks without any commitment. There is difference dynamics to the discussion.

There is no direct quote in the Constitution that says the President is in charge educational financing. Or that an assigned and not elected bureaucrat in the Department of Education, can by-pass the duties of Congress who is in charge of spending tax money. Warren is making her claim based on a pattern of behavior; bureaucratic overreach, that has reached the end of its self life. The Supreme Court is making Congress more accountable. It can not longer have its cake and eat it to the detriment of the tax payer.

Instead of giving the tax payer the shaft, why doesn't Warren address the fact that the university system ended up with all this student debt money?
 

SomeRandom

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Even conspiracy theories can be an opinion. If Warren had been able to motivate the mob, based on her legal opinion, that is also self serving to her, then this can become the seeds of a conspiracy theory, if she does not get her way. It is good to push back, after seeing the obvious end game. She is a lawyer trying to create a legal precedent using peer pressure.

Well technically all conspiracy theories are opinions. They’re conspiracy theories after all.
If by promoting certain conspiracy theories lead to people committing crimes or otherwise harming themselves or others, then it behooves social media platforms to try to mitigate the spread of such. If only to reassure their advertisers who don’t like being associated with such things.
(Good old capitalism, eh?)
Otherwise I don’t think such platforms care, really.
Again I’m jaded enough to not really believe a word any politician says publicly, even if I support their party

The work around to avoid censorship, can be for people, to claim in advance, this is what I think and this is my opinion. I am not claiming to know everything. If we avoid this disclaimer, we can use people tricks; tell people what they want to hear. But if we say this is an opinion, we can teach each other new tricks without any commitment. There is difference dynamics to the discussion.

I actually agree with you.
Politicians in general often do this daily even. Arguably it’s unavoidable to a large extent since politicians need to have open lines of communication to their fans (or at least be perceived as having such.) I mean politicians by default are constantly being scrutinised in the public spotlight. It’s just part of the job.
So they will try to say things that appease the public and/or their fans in general.

There is no direct quote in the Constitution that says the President is in charge educational financing. Or that an assigned and not elected bureaucrat in the Department of Education, can by-pass the duties of Congress who is in charge of spending tax money. Warren is making her claim based on a pattern of behavior; bureaucratic overreach, that has reached the end of its self life. The Supreme Court is making Congress more accountable. It can not longer have its cake and eat it to the detriment of the tax payer.

I’m not an American so I can’t comment either way.

Instead of giving the tax payer the shaft, why doesn't Warren address the fact that the university system ended up with all this student debt money?
Aiming for some PR points, like all politicians tend to do? :shrug:
 

sun rise

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And what would those be.
PS
I "fact checked" your post and found it to be misleading, but I can't put it where it belongs:D

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esmith

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