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Texas Governor Invokes Invasion Clauses to Combat Illegal Immigration

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Texas Governor Abbot is playing political games with illegal immigration, invoking the Invasion Clauses of the Texas and US Constitution. This article makes it clear that 'invasion' in the period of the drafting of the Constitution meant 'armed invasion by hostile forces,' not migrants coming for a better life.
Some illegal immigrants are armed and come here with criminal intent, but to declare that all the others somehow constitute an 'armed, hostile force' is pure political bovine scatology.

If these people are invaders, then when they are captured, they become prisoners of war and are protected by the Geneva convention. I wonder if Abbot is smart enough to realize this. Here is what the Convention says regarding Prisoners of War:

Part II
GENERAL PROTECTION OF PRISONERS OF WAR

Article 12
Prisoners of war are in the hands of the enemy Power, but not of the individuals or military units who have captured them. Irrespective of the individual responsibilities that may exist, the Detaining Power is responsible for the treatment given them.

Prisoners of war may only be transferred by the Detaining Power to a Power which is a party to the Convention and after the Detaining Power has satisfied itself of the willingness and ability of such transferee Power to apply the Convention. When prisoners of war are transferred under such circumstances, responsibility for the application of the Convention rests on the Power accepting them while they are in its custody.

Nevertheless if that Power fails to carry out the provisions of the Convention in any important respect, the Power by whom the prisoners of war were transferred shall, upon being notified by the Protecting Power, take effective measures to correct the situation or shall request the return of the prisoners of war. Such requests must be complied with.

Article 13
Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest
.
Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.

Article 14
Prisoners of war are entitled in all circumstances to respect for their persons and their honour.
Women shall be treated with all the regard due to their sex and shall in all cases benefit by treatment as favourable as that granted to men.

Prisoners of war shall retain the full civil capacity which they enjoyed at the time of their capture. The Detaining Power may not restrict the exercise, either within or without its own territory, of the rights such capacity confers except in so far as the captivity requires.

Article 15
The Power detaining prisoners of war shall be bound to provide free of charge for their maintenance and for the medical attention required by their state of health.

Article 16
Taking into consideration the provisions of the present Convention relating to rank and sex, and subject to any privileged treatment which may be accorded to them by reason of their state of health, age or professional qualifications, all prisoners of war shall be treated alike by the Detaining Power, without any adverse distinction based on race, nationality, religious belief or political opinions, or any other distinction founded on similar criteria.
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
Texas Governor Abbot is playing political games with illegal immigration, invoking the Invasion Clauses of the Texas and US Constitution. This article makes it clear that 'invasion' in the period of the drafting of the Constitution meant 'armed invasion by hostile forces,' not migrants coming for a better life.
Some illegal immigrants are armed and come here with criminal intent, but to declare that all the others somehow constitute an 'armed, hostile force' is pure political bovine scatology.

If these people are invaders, then when they are captured, the become prisoners of war and are protected by the Geneva convention. I wonder if Abbot is smart enough to realize this. Here is what the Convention says regarding Prisoners of War:

Part II
GENERAL PROTECTION OF PRISONERS OF WAR

Article 12
Prisoners of war are in the hands of the enemy Power, but not of the individuals or military units who have captured them. Irrespective of the individual responsibilities that may exist, the Detaining Power is responsible for the treatment given them.

Prisoners of war may only be transferred by the Detaining Power to a Power which is a party to the Convention and after the Detaining Power has satisfied itself of the willingness and ability of such transferee Power to apply the Convention. When prisoners of war are transferred under such circumstances, responsibility for the application of the Convention rests on the Power accepting them while they are in its custody.

Nevertheless if that Power fails to carry out the provisions of the Convention in any important respect, the Power by whom the prisoners of war were transferred shall, upon being notified by the Protecting Power, take effective measures to correct the situation or shall request the return of the prisoners of war. Such requests must be complied with.

Article 13
Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest
.
Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.

Article 14
Prisoners of war are entitled in all circumstances to respect for their persons and their honour.
Women shall be treated with all the regard due to their sex and shall in all cases benefit by treatment as favourable as that granted to men.

Prisoners of war shall retain the full civil capacity which they enjoyed at the time of their capture. The Detaining Power may not restrict the exercise, either within or without its own territory, of the rights such capacity confers except in so far as the captivity requires.

Article 15
The Power detaining prisoners of war shall be bound to provide free of charge for their maintenance and for the medical attention required by their state of health.

Article 16
Taking into consideration the provisions of the present Convention relating to rank and sex, and subject to any privileged treatment which may be accorded to them by reason of their state of health, age or professional qualifications, all prisoners of war shall be treated alike by the Detaining Power, without any adverse distinction based on race, nationality, religious belief or political opinions, or any other distinction founded on similar criteria.
Our Home Secretary did the same thing, it is disgusting but plays into their supporters' minds. Use inflamatory language and get the base going, sad times we are in.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Hear that, Jesus? Your'e invasive scum! Go away! They don't want your anchor baby *** in Texas.
Matthew 11:28
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Of course, within the parameters of my signature.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
We suggest you Anericans not merely
continue but expand on your insane immigration"Policy'.

See what it gets you.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
If spies enter a country, they can be treated more harshly than soldiers, since they do not have uniforms to distinguish them as soldiers. The Geneva convention may not fully apply to spies.

Soldiers are identifiable and are subject to the rules of their chain of command. Their actions are not entirely their own choice. When captured they needed to be treated as people, who could have been on either sides; just following orders.

The spy is much more independent, with no identifying uniform. They have more freedom to act in the field. They are not considered the same as a solider since their stealth gives then an advantage.

When Russian Invaded Ukraine the soldiers went over the border in plain sight. But I am sure they also had forward spies who had no Russian uniform, spoke only Ukrainian, and used stealthy methods to scoped out the land. Since they are not a declared soldier, they have an advantage, but also extra liability, if caught.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
If spies enter a country, they can be treated more harshly than soldiers, since they do not have uniforms to distinguish them as soldiers. The Geneva convention may not fully apply to spies.

Soldiers are identifiable and are subject to the rules of their chain of command. Their actions are not entirely their own choice. When captured they needed to be treated as people, who could have been on either sides; just following orders.

The spy is much more independent, with no identifying uniform. They have more freedom to act in the field. They are not considered the same as a solider since their stealth gives then an advantage.

When Russian Invaded Ukraine the soldiers went over the border in plain sight. But I am sure they also had forward spies who had no Russian uniform, spoke only Ukrainian, and used stealthy methods to scoped out the land. Since they are not a declared soldier, they have an advantage, but also extra liability, if caught.

Not heard of any border crossers being spies for a hostile power.
 

JIMMY12345

Active Member
Texas Governor Abbot is playing political games with illegal immigration, invoking the Invasion Clauses of the Texas and US Constitution. This article makes it clear that 'invasion' in the period of the drafting of the Constitution meant 'armed invasion by hostile forces,' not migrants coming for a better life.
Some illegal immigrants are armed and come here with criminal intent, but to declare that all the others somehow constitute an 'armed, hostile force' is pure political bovine scatology.

If these people are invaders, then when they are captured, they become prisoners of war and are protected by the Geneva convention. I wonder if Abbot is smart enough to realize this. Here is what the Convention says regarding Prisoners of War:

Part II
GENERAL PROTECTION OF PRISONERS OF WAR

Article 12
Prisoners of war are in the hands of the enemy Power, but not of the individuals or military units who have captured them. Irrespective of the individual responsibilities that may exist, the Detaining Power is responsible for the treatment given them.

Prisoners of war may only be transferred by the Detaining Power to a Power which is a party to the Convention and after the Detaining Power has satisfied itself of the willingness and ability of such transferee Power to apply the Convention. When prisoners of war are transferred under such circumstances, responsibility for the application of the Convention rests on the Power accepting them while they are in its custody.

Nevertheless if that Power fails to carry out the provisions of the Convention in any important respect, the Power by whom the prisoners of war were transferred shall, upon being notified by the Protecting Power, take effective measures to correct the situation or shall request the return of the prisoners of war. Such requests must be complied with.

Article 13
Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest
.
Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.

Article 14
Prisoners of war are entitled in all circumstances to respect for their persons and their honour.
Women shall be treated with all the regard due to their sex and shall in all cases benefit by treatment as favourable as that granted to men.

Prisoners of war shall retain the full civil capacity which they enjoyed at the time of their capture. The Detaining Power may not restrict the exercise, either within or without its own territory, of the rights such capacity confers except in so far as the captivity requires.

Article 15
The Power detaining prisoners of war shall be bound to provide free of charge for their maintenance and for the medical attention required by their state of health.

Article 16
Taking into consideration the provisions of the present Convention relating to rank and sex, and subject to any privileged treatment which may be accorded to them by reason of their state of health, age or professional qualifications, all prisoners of war shall be treated alike by the Detaining Power, without any adverse distinction based on race, nationality, religious belief or political opinions, or any other distinction founded on similar criteria.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thank you, Governor Abbot.
So, you're giving thanks to a governor who has repeatedly committed human trafficking, which is a felony if convicted? What other felonious crimes are you all in for?

I would suggest that if both sides of the aisle got off their rumps and worked on solutions that this would be a better way to go.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Texas Governor Abbot is playing political games with illegal immigration, invoking the Invasion Clauses of the Texas and US Constitution. This article makes it clear that 'invasion' in the period of the drafting of the Constitution meant 'armed invasion by hostile forces,' not migrants coming for a better life.
Some illegal immigrants are armed and come here with criminal intent, but to declare that all the others somehow constitute an 'armed, hostile force' is pure political bovine scatology.

If these people are invaders, then when they are captured, they become prisoners of war and are protected by the Geneva convention. I wonder if Abbot is smart enough to realize this. Here is what the Convention says regarding Prisoners of War:

Part II
GENERAL PROTECTION OF PRISONERS OF WAR

Article 12
Prisoners of war are in the hands of the enemy Power, but not of the individuals or military units who have captured them. Irrespective of the individual responsibilities that may exist, the Detaining Power is responsible for the treatment given them.

Prisoners of war may only be transferred by the Detaining Power to a Power which is a party to the Convention and after the Detaining Power has satisfied itself of the willingness and ability of such transferee Power to apply the Convention. When prisoners of war are transferred under such circumstances, responsibility for the application of the Convention rests on the Power accepting them while they are in its custody.

Nevertheless if that Power fails to carry out the provisions of the Convention in any important respect, the Power by whom the prisoners of war were transferred shall, upon being notified by the Protecting Power, take effective measures to correct the situation or shall request the return of the prisoners of war. Such requests must be complied with.

Article 13
Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest
.
Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.

Article 14
Prisoners of war are entitled in all circumstances to respect for their persons and their honour.
Women shall be treated with all the regard due to their sex and shall in all cases benefit by treatment as favourable as that granted to men.

Prisoners of war shall retain the full civil capacity which they enjoyed at the time of their capture. The Detaining Power may not restrict the exercise, either within or without its own territory, of the rights such capacity confers except in so far as the captivity requires.

Article 15
The Power detaining prisoners of war shall be bound to provide free of charge for their maintenance and for the medical attention required by their state of health.

Article 16
Taking into consideration the provisions of the present Convention relating to rank and sex, and subject to any privileged treatment which may be accorded to them by reason of their state of health, age or professional qualifications, all prisoners of war shall be treated alike by the Detaining Power, without any adverse distinction based on race, nationality, religious belief or political opinions, or any other distinction founded on similar criteria.
They can invade another state or better still.

Offer bussing to California.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If spies enter a country, they can be treated more harshly than soldiers, since they do not have uniforms to distinguish them as soldiers. The Geneva convention may not fully apply to spies.

Soldiers are identifiable and are subject to the rules of their chain of command. Their actions are not entirely their own choice. When captured they needed to be treated as people, who could have been on either sides; just following orders.

The spy is much more independent, with no identifying uniform. They have more freedom to act in the field. They are not considered the same as a solider since their stealth gives then an advantage.

When Russian Invaded Ukraine the soldiers went over the border in plain sight. But I am sure they also had forward spies who had no Russian uniform, spoke only Ukrainian, and used stealthy methods to scoped out the land. Since they are not a declared soldier, they have an advantage, but also extra liability, if caught.
There is a criminal element that routinely crosses/invades the border.

Texas border agents apprehend migrants smuggling drugs into West Texas

Yea. Migrants as drug mules.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Wish we could separate those from the desperate and well meaning ones.
I agree. For the life of me I can't see why they can't make the formal application process much easier to access for those who just want a better life for themselves.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Matthew 11:28
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Of course, within the parameters of my signature.
Matthew 25:31-46
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Love it!!! thanks for sharing the word of God.

There is certainly much you and i can learn from His teachings.
I disagree. However, I will admit I have always been fond of Matthew 16:26, and even still acknowledge it for the wisdom it contains, albeit in more of an existentialist sort of way.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I disagree. However, I will admit I have always been fond of Matthew 16:26, and even still acknowledge it for the wisdom it contains, albeit in more of an existentialist sort of way.
Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats plus Jesus' Sermon On the Mount to me is the #1 teaching within Christianity. Christianity was designed to be an active religion that's not just based on what I call "rocking-chair religion" that has it that all that's needed is p.c. beliefs.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats plus Jesus' Sermon On the Mount to me is the #1 teaching within Christianity. Christianity was designed to be an active religion that's not just based on what I call "rocking-chair religion" that has it that all that's needed is p.c. beliefs.
I see the Sermon on the Mount as a guide to being a stepping stone, keeping toxic family in your life, and refraining from harsh judgments when they are necessary.
 
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