Climate Change Performance Index 2023 Released

Subduction Zone · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
Satan is a concept to represent the most base nature of human consciousness, bereft of higher nature, it is not an external entity, except in the sense of human institutions involved in the spread of the darkness.

In other words mythical. Got it.

Sand Dancer · Nov 17, 2022

Heyo said:
Germanwatch has released this years ranking of 59 countries plus the EU of an index evaluating actions against climate change. Climate Change Performance Index (CCPI)

Some examples:
1. Denmark
5. India
8. UK
16. EU
48. China
49. USA
56. Russia
60. Iran

Where's your country? Are you happy with that?

I don't think Germany always has to be first but 13. is depressing, especially as we where higher up last year.

We're worse than China!!

Subduction Zone · Nov 17, 2022

Sand Dancer said:
We're worse than China!!

That one I do have trouble believing. If one looks at a graph that stops a few years ago I simply do not see how China could have reversed their course to where they were better than us. Perhaps it is based upon what they plan to do in the future.

Ben Dhyan · Nov 17, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
No, that is just your own very distorted religious perspective and does not appear to have any basis in reality.

Tell me how would you properly test your beliefs? How would you see if they were reliable?

No, that is just your own very distorted atheistic perspective and does not have any basis in reality.

There is no need to test, it is reality itself, you are a part of the process, you only need to experience the reality as it unfolds.

Subduction Zone · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
No, that is just your own very distorted atheistic perspective and does not have any basis in reality.

There is no need to test, it is reality itself, you are a part of the process, you only need to experience the reality as it unfolds.

Incorrect. If one's beliefs are true they can be confirmed by reliable means. You appear to only have unjustified beliefs.

Because I said so. Is not a valid explanation. Especially if one runs away from reality.

Ben Dhyan · Nov 17, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
And you are not a science denier. Right.

What is your religion? It appears to be an odd amalgam of several different beliefs.

Right.

Non-denominational or all if you like, they all express a perspective of the bigger picture of reality.

Ben Dhyan · Nov 17, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
what are they? Please support your claim. I am betting that you cannot do so.

Those that understand it are pretty clear about this being settled science. You run away from offers to help you to understand the basics. I wonder which side will be able to support their claims?

Ocean currents, ocean oscillations, cloud cover, atmospheric wind currents, green house effects, etc..

I understand the basics.

Subduction Zone · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
Right.

Non-denominational or all if you like, they all express a perspective of the bigger picture of reality.

That does not appear to be the case, at least in regards to reality.

Once again, how can you support your beliefs?

Subduction Zone · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
Ocean currents, ocean oscillations, cloud cover, atmospheric wind currents, green house effects, etc..

I understand the basics.

Sorry, but that is just handwaving. It is not an explanation at all. Which means that you have shown that you have nothing.

By the way greenhouse effects are global warming. Too bad that you do not understand them.

Ben Dhyan · Nov 17, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
They were right fifty years ago. They are even more accurate now. Where do you get these claims from?

Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming? - Carbon Brief

They didn't have them fifty years ago, you are mistaking adjusting the models to fit the past observations. They continue to do this and that is why the models appear to be predicting quite accurately. Nothing wrong with this, just that the untrained may mistake it for the present accurate predictive value of the relevant climate model.

Subduction Zone · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
They didn't have them fifty years ago, you are mistaking adjusting the models to fit the past observations. They continue to do this and that is why the models appear to be predicting quite accurately. Nothing wrong with this, just that the untrained may mistake it for the present accurate predictive value of the relevant climate model.

Yes they did. There was one in my source. I can provide another article specifically about a fifty year old model.

Ben Dhyan · Nov 17, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
In other words mythical. Got it.

In other words, you are deceived and unaware.

Subduction Zone · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
In other words, you are deceived and unaware.

No, that would be you. You demonstrate that you are aware of that fact by running away from reasonable questions.

Subduction Zone · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
They didn't have them fifty years ago, you are mistaking adjusting the models to fit the past observations. They continue to do this and that is why the models appear to be predicting quite accurately. Nothing wrong with this, just that the untrained may mistake it for the present accurate predictive value of the relevant climate model.

As usual when we disagree about some aspect of science I can show that my claim was factual. Here is the article about a 50 year old model that I mentioned:

Science | AAAS

Ben Dhyan · Nov 17, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
That does not appear to be the case, at least in regards to reality.

Once again, how can you support your beliefs?

I am in real time, not in conceptual time/space reality where your awareness resides.

I have no need for belief wrt reality, it is all there is.

Heyo · Nov 17, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
That one I do have trouble believing. If one looks at a graph that stops a few years ago I simply do not see how China could have reversed their course to where they were better than us. Perhaps it is based upon what they plan to do in the future.

Yes, it is. The index is the sum of multiple data points, plans for phasing out fossil energy is one of them.

Subduction Zone · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
I am in real time, not in conceptual time/space reality where your awareness resides.

I have no need for belief wrt reality, it is all there is.

You regularly deny reality. Do you have grandchildren?

Heyo · Nov 17, 2022

Sand Dancer said:
We're worse than China!!

Only slightly.

Heyo · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
the worst type of humanity

Adding insult to your list?
Please take your conspiracy theories, your religious delusions and your attitude to a new thread. This one is in "Science and Technology" and everything you said is off topic.

sayak83 · Nov 17, 2022

ben d said:
You are involved in the sea of samsara, be careful you may drown there. Transcendence awaits those who seek the world of causes, immortality no less.

ben d said:
The AGW scientific community is corrupt, and people like yourself are deceived if you believe it to be true. Reality extends far beyond the material world of effects, religion is not about mistaking samsara as real, it is ever changing due to the causes from above, from spirit, from Brahman.
We are in end times and it is clear that the conservationists, environmentalists, athiests, and other deceived people are the lowest and worst type of humanity. They will not endure for much longer and the irony is, they think the idea of saving the world of effects is good, but in fact it is a rebellion against God. The kingdom of God is not of this world, you can't serve two masters without serving one second best. It seems you have made your choice.

So basically you have nothing constructive to say apart from nonsensical merging of half baked ideas from Hindu and Christian worldviews?
Brahman, Samsara, kingdom of God and Satan in the same paragraph. Wow. And you call me deceived?
I do not know you and I do not know if you are genuinely confused and unclear about these things or simply this is entertainment for you. In either case I hope you the best and hope your life and decisions become more constructive in the future.

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