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The AP is reporting that Russian missles have hit Poland, 2 dead
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Altfish
Veteran Member
The only compromise that Russia will accept is the gain of land. That cannot be right.
Human Relations go in the bin when you invade another country.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
The only thing these Russkies understand is force? Yeah, right. That philosophy has served humanity so well in the past.
When our common humanity goes in the bin, what hope is there for any of us?
Altfish
Veteran Member
I didn't say that.
I just said that to come to a compromise it MUST involve meeting Russia half-way. That is, Russia keeps some of its gains - that means Ukraine loses.
If it does not gain land then Putin is a loser and will lose face.
Care to enlighten us as to what compromise looks like?
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Looks like they were actually Ukrainian surface to air missiles that landed in Poland after missing their target.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/nat...ike-was-not-deliberate-or-ukraines-fault.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/nat...ike-was-not-deliberate-or-ukraines-fault.html
It is possible that it was a defensive Ukrainian missile (intercepting a Russian one), but the fact that they have to use such so close to the borders of other countries is rather worrying, and something for Russia to take into account. Apart from their bullying of another country, and one that cannot in effect retaliate against Russia itself.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
You just described compromise quite simply and accurately; it's about meeting halfway. So in this instance Russia keeps Crimea, and possibly parts of the Donbass region. There are sound historical arguments in support of Russia's claim to Crimea anyway. But if one side is intent on punishing the other, and fighting on in the pursuit of total and unconditional victory, the fighting will never stop.
Altfish
Veteran Member
So, Russia are rewarded for their aggression?
Then in 10-years' time they do it again and gain some more land; meanwhile China has taken Taiwan.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
That's not what the article says.
Russian missile knocked into Poland
by Ukrainian missile is what I read.
Poland wouldn't have missiles killing
its people if Russia hadn't attacked
Ukraine, forcing it to defend itself.
When one side is an unambiguous aggressor and invader, "compromise" becomes a synonym for subordinate, forced concession. Putin would not be compromising by respecting the sovereignty of another nation; he would merely be acting in accordance with international law.
Altfish
Veteran Member
They are threatening it.
If the UN, NATO, etc. allow Russian aggression to win then why wouldn't they?
JIMMY12345
Active Member
I think the Americans are giving accurate intel. This missile originated in Russia and Ukrainian defense systems innocently sent it to Poland OR the missile was aimed from Ukraine at Russian forces and it went of course due to Russian defense systems.
What the Putin Government is responsible for is a illegal invasion and shooting down passenger airliner bound from Shiphol Airport.Again the latter was an accident they thought it was a Ukrainian plane.
What the Putin Government is responsible for is a illegal invasion and shooting down passenger airliner bound from Shiphol Airport.Again the latter was an accident they thought it was a Ukrainian plane.