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Liz Cheney for Speaker of the House

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
You don't have to be a sitting member of the House to become Speaker of the House, you only have to be nominated and win a roll call vote.

The current House Committee investigating the shady dealings of January 6th will be dissolved at the end of this Congressional session, and Trump has refused to appear before the committee, delaying any further findings before the deadline at the end of this congress. We need Liz Cheney in there to get the ball rolling again in the next Congress!

How do you become Speaker of the House?
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
There's something about Liz Cheney I don't trust, but I can't put my finger on what particular thing it is out of my small list of concerns.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
There's something about Liz Cheney I don't trust, but I can't put my finger on what particular thing it is out of my small list of concerns.

There's something about Liz Cheney I don't trust, and I know exactly what it is: her role in propagating the lies that enabled the Iraq War and, consequently, the deaths of 500,000 Iraqis.

She can vanish from the public sphere for all I care.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You don't have to be a sitting member of the House to become Speaker of the House, you only have to be nominated and win a roll call vote.

The current House Committee investigating the shady dealings of January 6th will be dissolved at the end of this Congressional session, and Trump has refused to appear before the committee, delaying any further findings before the deadline at the end of this congress. We need Liz Cheney in there to get the ball rolling again in the next Congress!

How do you become Speaker of the House?
It seems Kevin McCarthy is the current favorite.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
There's something about Liz Cheney I don't trust, but I can't put my finger on what particular thing it is out of my small list of concerns.
There's something about Liz Cheney I don't trust, and I know exactly what it is: her role in propagating the lies that enabled the Iraq War and, consequently, the deaths of 500,000 Iraqis.

She can vanish from the public sphere for all I care.
I admit that I seem to be more attuned to sounding a warning than anything else. :oops:

It seems that the Republicans are poised to take over the House majority. Is there a different Republican that you would like to see as Speaker of the House?
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
I admit that I seem to be more attuned to sounding a warning than anything else. :oops:

It seems that the Republicans are poised to take over the House majority. Is there a different Republican that you would like to see as Speaker of the House?

That's a tough one. I almost want Kevin McCarthy in there because I feel he may be overall ineffective enough not to do much damage. But that's a bleak way of looking at it, and I could most certainly be wrong.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
We need Liz Cheney in there to get the ball rolling again in the next Congress!
Liz Chaney's chances of becoming Speaker are less that yours, and any Republican who voted for her would be committing political suicide. The idea is farcical.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
You don't have to be a sitting member of the House to become Speaker of the House, you only have to be nominated and win a roll call vote.

Although it technically could happen on paper, it never has and has no reason to start now.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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My dubiously informed hot take is that McCarthy is most likely, his odds improving with the struggles of the Trump faction overall. But we shall see.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Although it technically could happen on paper, it never has and has no reason to start now.
You never know whether there might be reason to start now. Whoever becomes Speaker will need 218 votes. The Republicans are going to get at most 220 seats, and several of them have promised NOT to vote for McCarthy. Who else, out of all the 435 people in that House could muster 218 votes? If the answer is "nobody," then maybe outside is the way to go.

McCarthy is a weak and craven man, in my view. If he does manage to snag the Speaker role, I give him little chance of controlling his own party in the House. That does not speak for 2 years of the House doing much good -- or much of anything at all.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
You never know whether there might be reason to start now. Whoever becomes Speaker will need 218 votes. The Republicans are going to get at most 220 seats, and several of them have promised NOT to vote for McCarthy. Who else, out of all the 435 people in that House could muster 218 votes? If the answer is "nobody," then maybe outside is the way to go.

McCarthy is a weak and craven man, in my view. If he does manage to snag the Speaker role, I give him little chance of controlling his own party in the House. That does not speak for 2 years of the House doing much good -- or much of anything at all.
And remember this -- McCarthy just got 180 votes to remain as leader -- that's 38 short of what he needs. And the new Republican members didn't get a chance to vote, because they haven't yet been sworn in --- and in some cases, even been elected!
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The current House Committee investigating the shady dealings of January 6th will be dissolved at the end of this Congressional session, and Trump has refused to appear before the committee, delaying any further findings before the deadline at the end of this congress.

They don't need Trump's testimony. If they did, they would have subpoenaed him much earlier in the year, or maybe last year.

This appears to be done for completeness' sake, so that it needn't be asked why they didn't even try to get him to testify, and possibly to give the DOJ one more Trump criminal referral. He's made a reputation as a vexatious litigator, so why not? Every one costs him a bundle in attorney's fees and stomach lining, and maybe some ketchup. Plus, there's was always the chance that he would want the spotlight and accept, so a bonus reason would be to give Trump a chance to incriminate himself if he testified but didn't lie or perjure himself if he did.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It seems that the Republicans are poised to take over the House majority. Is there a different Republican that you would like to see as Speaker of the House?
John McCain. He has, amongst other things, the main qualification for being a good Republican.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
With Russia firing a missile into Poland, Liz might not be a good choice after all...
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
You never know whether there might be reason to start now.

We kinda do, though. The parties in Congress have a kind of hierarchy. Just any old Representative (and certainly not an unelected outsider) isn't gonna get chosen as Speaker. It'll be someone higher up and tenured in the House who has put in the time and gone up through the ranks of party leadership.

Whoever becomes Speaker will need 218 votes. The Republicans are going to get at most 220 seats, and several of them have promised NOT to vote for McCarthy. Who else, out of all the 435 people in that House could muster 218 votes? If the answer is "nobody," then maybe outside is the way to go.

He'll wheel and deal behind the scenes and get the votes he needs once everyone has been elected. Republicans won't miss this chance to take decisive control of the chamber. If it isn't McCarthy, it'll be some other tenured GOPer.

McCarthy is a weak and craven man, in my view. If he does manage to snag the Speaker role, I give him little chance of controlling his own party in the House. That does not speak for 2 years of the House doing much good -- or much of anything at all.

Anything they do in terms of legislation will be stymied by the Senate and/or vetoes from Biden. So we're in for 2 years of stalemate regardless. The worst they'll be able to do is find some random reason to impeach Biden.
 
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