PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
I was under the impression it wasn't just Candace, that it's more a trend in general of people close to Trump getting fed up and leaving him.
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Trump is Losing Supporters
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I was under the impression it wasn't just Candace, that it's more a trend in general of people close to Trump getting fed up and leaving him.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Don't bet on it. Trump's supporters are as fickle as he is. When they recognise him as a big time looser, they will ditch him like the trash that he is. And he in his turn will turn on them as disloyal.
The Republicans are already looking way past Trump for a new leader. Those tainted by him have lost their chance.
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What gets me is how many republicans admitting to voting for him in 2020, like the Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger. Even after two impeachments he voted Trump. Then he was highly critical of Trump for the denialism, but why did he vote Trump at all? The vast majority of citizens could see how bad Trump was, how corrupt he is to the core. So i wonder how many voters will vote party regardless how bad the candidate is.
I suspect much of this political interest these days is the fraud and grift. As long as he is a candidate he can ask for donations from people and pocket most of it. The election finance rules are pretty lose.
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I think he can make money whether he runs or not. So that's probably not his primary driver in the decision.
As to what his ego will make him do - hard to say. An argument can be made either way, I suppose. My money is on giving up if he loses the primary and whining about it on social media while having a ghost book written.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
This is probably due to the demonization and dehumanization of political opponents. They seem to think that even the worst Republican is better than the best Democrat. To be sure, this works both directions.
This is false right wing rhetoric.
False, Trump admitted to being under audit for years before he got into politics. And as investigations have discovered there is evidence of tax fraud. And funny you bring this up, it was Trump who used the IRS to get retribution against Comey and McCabe. This is another crime by Trump.
Trump Wanted I.R.S. Investigations of Foes, Top Aide Says
Well the decisions by the far right packed Supreme Court is backfiring on republicans. Their far right wing agenda is NOT popular with citizens and they are pushing back, and electing democrats who will represent the citizens. If republicans don't get smart and work with democrats then the voters will get rid of them in bigger numbers. The republicans installed justices that would rule they way they wanted, and that is bad faith politics.
Well then, run for office and suggest this. As it is the tax law is largely complicated for the wealthy to hide money. Are you going to **** them off?
Both parties benefit from this. Some in congress would support election and election finance reform. But as we see with Trump he collects a lot of money and pockets it. These greedy folks won't allow any changes.
Typically it is pretty wealthy people from the start. There are some members of congress who are not wealthy. But the way our elections are run you need to be wealthy, and/or raise money. As it is I'm only hearing democrats suggesting tax reform that closes loopholes for the wealthy, Warren being the biggest advocate for this. I've never heard any republicans say this. Maybe you can give us a source of there being at least one.
Exactly! Leftists have a desperate desire for the narrative that Trump will lose support in heads. Then they go out seeking "evidence" to support that preconception. The truth of whether Trump's support will wane remains to be seen. It could be true. But it is premature to call it.
I didn't say that. I am saying Leftists are drawing unfounded conclusions from what they wrote.
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
You might be right. I have a hunch Trump may end up issuing some form of change though, if he runs - and not necessarily the same kind of "change" as the left. Whether that change is getting McConnell out of office, or trying to cleanse the Republican party of those opposed to his ideas, that remains to be seen. But I must admit it's true that in 2024, there's a chance he could be getting new supporters just as fast as he bleeds them.
But I actually think on the current path he's on though, his ideas and statements are losing energy, and appearing dry. But he could still come back full force, with new ideas, and bring new energy. Just saying that it could happen, for better or worse.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
They want a theocrat without the oafishness. Enter De Sanctimonious.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Oh, you mean like this?
"While in office, President Donald J. Trump repeatedly told John F. Kelly, his second White House chief of staff, that he wanted a number of his perceived political enemies to be investigated by the Internal Revenue Service, Mr. Kelly said. Mr. Kelly ... said in response to questions from The New York Times that Mr. Trump’s demands were part of a broader pattern of him trying to use the Justice Department and his authority as president against people who had been critical of him."
John Kelly: Trump wanted IRS to target perceived political foes
Former White House Chief of Staff Says Trump Wanted IRS to Investigate His Rivals: Report
It Sure Looks Like Trump Sicced the IRS on His Enemies
Were IRS Research Audits Used To Target Trump’s Enemies? Here’s Another Possible Explanation For Why Two Ex-FBI Officials Got Picked
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3549408-irs-in-political-storm-over-trump-era-audits/
Trump Wanted IRS Investigations of Foes, Top Aide Says
Those darn "Democrats"
PureX
Veteran Member
At this point people on both sides are doing that. And it's why the candidates are so bad on both sides.
Trump likes to see himself as being so clever that even when he loses he wins. And winning, for him, is defined by money, not popularity. So he's going to do whatever he thinks will get him the most money. And I think that means he needs to stay in the limelight.
I once held unrealistic expectations about the average person too. Mr. Trump and his support helped change that. Now I'm more realistic.
A poll shows that Trump is at 47% for 2024 president, while DeSantis is at 33%, and pence at 5%. There is reason for Trump to go for it. It may b that many voters don't know who DeSantis is, so picked Trump. As we know MAGAs are popular among republicans but aren't viable in general elections.
There's an argument to be made that democrats shouldn't want Trump indicted as his influence to divide republicans is still strong. Alternatively there is a reason that republicans shoul want Trump indicted as this legal action could curtail his candidacy and influence.
Another issue is how Trump threatened the RNC leader as he left Washington for the last time that he was going to start his own party. This would be a disaster for republicans as it would drain at least half of the conservative base.
There's an argument to be made that democrats shouldn't want Trump indicted as his influence to divide republicans is still strong. Alternatively there is a reason that republicans shoul want Trump indicted as this legal action could curtail his candidacy and influence.
Another issue is how Trump threatened the RNC leader as he left Washington for the last time that he was going to start his own party. This would be a disaster for republicans as it would drain at least half of the conservative base.
Trump is losing supporters. Trumpism not so much.
Still, we seem to be seeing more than a few articles similar to Axion: Republicans see signs of Trump's support softening. That the Trumpets dismiss them should surprise no one. After all: denialists gotta deny.
Not I. I suspect, for example, that your support is fairly ossified and assured irrespective of Trump's continuing vileness.
Still, we seem to be seeing more than a few articles similar to Axion: Republicans see signs of Trump's support softening. That the Trumpets dismiss them should surprise no one. After all: denialists gotta deny.
So you determined that Candace is not a Trump supporter because she said he was rude. In a recent thread I said Trump was rude too ( Trump was wrong ). So by your logic you have proved that I am not a Trump supporter.
Candace Owens said a personal interaction she had with Trump where he was rude to her led her to change how she feels about him. She says he is too angry and resentful to be a leader and that true leaders can admit they got some stuff wrong.
Candace Owens becomes latest high profile backer to jump off the Trump train | Daily Mail Online
No, don't know if she will continue to support Trump or not. However, I think his ego is getting in his way with political relationships.
Then you shouldn't have made her the example for the thread you created titled "Trump is losing supporters". By doing so you implied she was a former supporter Trump had lost.