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Heaven and Hell

Fool

Fool

ALL in all
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in the abrahamic belief system heaven and hell can't be eternal; if they were created and god isn't unidirectional?


the end is at the beginning?
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
1213 said:
Maybe everlasting is better word to describe something that will last forever?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
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Everlasting is not unidirectional. It's multidirectional. So it would have to exist in all places at all times. It can't just be in the present and/or future. Otherwise God wouldnt exist before the creation based on the definition of eternal or everlasting
 
MikeF

MikeF

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Fool said:
it's a synonym

Synonyms of perpetual | Thesaurus.com
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Yes, they are similar, and words are used in all kinds of ways, but I think the reason we have synonyms to begin with is to express subtle or even distinct variations of the same concept.

So one might see eternal to mean always having existed and will always continue to exist, and perpetual as meaning once created or begun, it will continue without end, yet had not always having existed.

I think it is convenient to have a different word for both of those somewhat different concepts.
 
Fool

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
MikeF said:
Yes, they are similar, and words are used in all kinds of ways, but I think the reason we have synonyms to begin with is to express subtle or even distinct variations of the same concept.

So one might see eternal to mean always having existed and will always continue to exist, and perpetual as meaning once created or begun, it will continue without end, yet had not always having existed.

I think it is convenient to have a different word for both of those somewhat different concepts.
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I agree. Don't get me wrong, I do like the word
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Fool said:
in the abrahamic belief system heaven and hell can't be eternal; if they were created and god isn't unidirectional?


the end is at the beginning?
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I believe that what God told me that time is circular. The end of time is also the beginning of time.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
The Sum of Awe said:
Can something that has a beginning be eternal?
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I believe Webster's dictionary has a definition of timeless for the word eternal. Hell is timeless since there is no detectable motion of the earth. Heaven is timeless because it is outside the time circle.
 
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