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Why Is Christianity "Abrahamic"?

rational experiences

Veteran Member
My native American father spiritually shared his wisdom.

If no European invasion of his tribal lands occurred. Americas mass population explosion would own it's spiritual nature as native to land the indian.

Like others countries father's are.

Maybe his heavenly father recordings by natural man population versus dis spirited brothers in other nations mind. Modern times choice technology nation changed would have won. By teachings.. owned by his spirituality as a man.

Advice six generations ahead of life survival thought about before any other choice is made... loving his earth mother.

He said each nations heavens father causes incorrect mind feedback advice. Because of past technology UFO release machine of man leaving earth by suns space laws.

Vacuum void.

As his country was in fact less ground effected by his country in modern life being sciences origin scene crime. On origin earth historic. All life destroyed advised.

His continent on earths losses owned the most underground earth mass removed. Less released communicators now. Huge holes beneath America. Higher water mass.

So his ground communicators allowed spirituality to develop on his land rights. In his nation Americans spirit type DNA country.

Why European minds taught by father in his land lie about America being the greatest place on earth. As it's tribal advice why America is different.

And it's not what he teaches his people.

It's why humans who living on their owned nations rock think differently as it's inherent where you live. America is great for American Indian. Not for European egotists.

Is why your own nations DNA experience expressed its owned realisation man in heavens advice in owned nation.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The way I see it (and keeping in mind that I am very much not an adherent) the Abrahamics are related to each other in two different ways.

The perhaps least controversial yet also least significant is historical origin. It is really fascinating to learn how, one after the other, Christianity, Islam and the Bahai Faith refer to Judaism and the other previous Abrahamic creeds in order to define themselves, even if mainly by contrast.

Much more significant a common trait of the Abrahamics are their conceptions of deities and how humanity is expected to related to those. The idea of a deity that is the uncreated creator of existence itself is noteworthy, as is the specification that said deity is aware of humanity and interested in relating to it by way of very few specific people and with expectations of obedience and even fear.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
If you appropriate my vineyard while burning down my house, using the wine for your own pleasure is not an example of community sharing.
Your house is still standing.

It's more like Christians took a bunch of your grapes from your vineyard and made second-rate knock off wine, while "borrowing" a few recipes and bottles from their neighbors.

Metaphors and cultural distaste aside, it still doesn't change that, while bastardized, Christianity stems from Hebrew culture, viewed through Greek and Roman lenses.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Why is Christianity classed alongside Judaism and Islam as an Abrahamic religion?

The God-Concept of Christianity is distinct from the God-Concept of Judaism and Islam

Because of the Trinity - The Holy Spirit and Jesus (who is considered both human and divine)

People say Christians worship the God of Abraham and even speak of there being a Judaeo-Christian tradition.

But when God interacted with Abraham he said nothing about any Trinity.......

I don't understand this whole situation, perhaps someone could please explain it?

Basically: Why is Christianity in the same category as Judaism and Islam? Surely it shouldn't be as it has a unique God-Concept?

And especially: what do Jews and Moslems think?
As a Jew, I think it is complicated.

The reason why Christianity is listed as an Abrahamic religion is because they claim to worship the God of Abraham. The worship of Jesus puts a serious dent in that statement, since Abraham never worshiped, or even knew, Jesus.

Judaism considers Christianity to be an example of something called Association (or sheetuf). IOW a belief in one God, but that one God is associated with something that is not God. In the case of Christianity, God is associated with Jesus. Another example would be the monotheism of Egypt, where the one God is associated with the Sun.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Your house is still standing.
Really? Is that thoughtlessness, ignorance, or apologetics?

In the second century and beyond, many of the principal Fathers of the Church began to write of Jews as a “rejected people” who were doomed to a life of marginality and misery. Jews were to wander the world as a “despised people.” This image persisted in Christian preaching, art and popular teaching for centuries to come. In certain countries it often led to civil and political discrimination against Jews and in some instances to physical attacks on Jews which resulted in death. While some Popes, bishops and Christian princes stepped up to protect Jews, they were clearly a minority. It was only in the mid-twentieth century that the Catholic Church and many Protestant denominations issued major statements repudiating this anti-Judaic theology and began a process of constructive Christian-Jewish interaction. [ source ]
 

1213

Well-Known Member
Why is Christianity classed alongside Judaism and Islam as an Abrahamic religion?

The God-Concept of Christianity is distinct from the God-Concept of Judaism and Islam

Because of the Trinity - ....Why is Christianity in the same category as Judaism and Islam? Surely it shouldn't be as it has a unique God-Concept?
...

Because originally it has only one true God.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, you'd deny that there has been a split that now separates Christianity and Judaism?
No, I don't deny that, plus there's splits within both as well. If that split had been complete, however, then the Christian scriptures would not include the Tanakh.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
For many, that's a convenient talking point, but I doubt that it's much more than that, particularly since a far more accurate framing might have been:

as Jesus is oft portrayed as a liberal "rabbi"

After all, when you have folks promoting him as a liberal rabbi while others suggest him to be some Essene sectarian, what is for sure is that the marketing gloss is far more substantive than is the historical certainty.
Which is why I am not a literalist.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
As a Jew, I think it is complicated.

The reason why Christianity is listed as an Abrahamic religion is because they claim to worship the God of Abraham. The worship of Jesus puts a serious dent in that statement, since Abraham never worshiped, or even knew, Jesus.

Judaism considers Christianity to be an example of something called Association (or sheetuf). IOW a belief in one God, but that one God is associated with something that is not God. In the case of Christianity, God is associated with Jesus. Another example would be the monotheism of Egypt, where the one God is associated with the Sun.
All religions evolve over time; thus, they obviously don't come out of thin air. Judaism itself evolved a great deal over the centuries, thus a 1st Temple Jew would have a difficult understanding some of the orientation of the post-Temple period Jews.

On top of that, there were numerous sects during the 2nd Temple period, and they certainty didn't see eye-to-eye, thus their commentaries often differed.

Thus, Christianity has portrayed itself as a splinter sect from Judaism that increasingly became quite different in many respects versus that which it evolved out of.
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
No, I don't deny that, plus there's splits within both as well. If that split had been complete, however, then the Christian scriptures would not include the Tanakh.
Well, I'm a Christian and I largely disregard the Tanakh.......

It just doesn't interest me :shrug:

But yes, Jesus Christ himself studied and followed it which means I should too (but not as much as the Jews do)

And yes, parts of it are vital to Christianity, such as the whole Adam and Eve story
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, I'm a Christian and I largely disregard the Tanakh.......

It just doesn't interest me :shrug:

But yes, Jesus Christ himself studied and followed it which means I should too

And yes, parts of it are vital to Christianity, such as the whole Adam and Eve story
The early Church had to deal with this issue, and there were some bishops who felt that the Tanakh should just be ignored. But the trouble with doing that is that so much of the Gospel is based on what's found in it, including the concept of Jesus being the Messiah. So, without the Tanakh, where does this concept come from and how is it that the believe that Jesus' fulfilled the prophecies arose?
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
So, without the Tanakh, where does this concept come from and how is it that the believe that Jesus' fulfilled the prophecies arose?
I think that certain parts of the Tanakh are of relevance to Christinas but that most of it isn't.....

I'd therefore like to see a heavily edited version of it with all the bits that are not relevant to Christianity removed, which I should think would be most of it
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Why is Christianity classed alongside Judaism and Islam as an Abrahamic religion?

The God-Concept of Christianity is distinct from the God-Concept of Judaism and Islam

Because of the Trinity - The Holy Spirit and Jesus (who is considered both human and divine)

People say Christians worship the God of Abraham and even speak of there being a Judaeo-Christian tradition.

But when God interacted with Abraham he said nothing about any Trinity.......

I don't understand this whole situation, perhaps someone could please explain it?

Basically: Why is Christianity in the same category as Judaism and Islam? Surely it shouldn't be as it has a unique God-Concept?

And especially: what do Jews and Moslems think?
It is Abrahamic because

Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

In essence, he is our father of the faith in that it was through his faith that opened the door for Jesus to come into the earth.

It was pre-Mosaic covenant.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It is Abrahamic because

Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

In essence, he is our father of the faith in that it was through his faith that opened the door for Jesus to come into the earth.

It was pre-Mosaic covenant.
You have made good points. But all it means is that the issue is quite messy and complicated. You see, Abraham did not worship Jesus (Jesus wasn't even around). Christians worship Jesus. One could make a very good argument on that basis that the Christian God (Jesus) is not the Abrahamic God. Like I said, messy.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
You have made good points. But all it means is that the issue is quite messy and complicated. You see, Abraham did not worship Jesus (Jesus wasn't even around). Christians worship Jesus. One could make a very good argument on that basis that the Christian God (Jesus) is not the Abrahamic God. Like I said, messy.

Of course, I can only go as far as what my scriptures says.

I do know that Jesus said, John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham.

Apparently Abraham understood the promise of who was to come and understood the type and the future that the shadow that Jesus and the Cross was giving in the sacrifice of Isaac.

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So, it is quite possible that as he built an altar and said, "Jehovah Jireh, the Lord that supplies" - he may have been worshipping the one God that manifests in 3 different essences.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Of course, I can only go as far as what my scriptures says.

I do know that Jesus said, John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham.

Apparently Abraham understood the promise of who was to come and understood the type and the future that the shadow that Jesus and the Cross was giving in the sacrifice of Isaac.

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So, it is quite possible that as he built an altar and said, "Jehovah Jireh, the Lord that supplies" - he may have been worshipping the one God that manifests in 3 different essences.
I appreciate the work you put into your post, but really, any appeal to the New Testament has no affect on me. To me, the New Testament is no different than the Quran or the Vedas or the Book of Mormon. As I said, the Tanakh clearly makes statements about the nature of God FOUR TIME that he is not man. That's what I go by.
 
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