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Who gave you right to be member of LGBT+ and make abortions?

fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
questfortruth said:
So, you have no right to kill any theist.
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I never said, or implied in anyway, that I have the right to kill a theist. Or an atheist, or a polytheist, or a pantheist or a .....

You are the one saying "God" gives you many rights.

Do you believe that God gives you the right to oppress the LGBTQ? Do you believe that God gives you the right to determine what other people do with their bodies?



You are the one saying "God" gives you many rights. Could God give you the right to kill me?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
questfortruth said:
There are two kinds of rights:
1. God-given rights.
2. satan-given rights.

Please specify the kind of rights. Tell me about rights from satan. What are these rights? There are God, and satan. Hence, there are two kinds of rights. What wrong was with Hitler's Germany? They just followed laws of Germany. But they were punished by USA and Russia.

Pregnant woman contains body of her child. Hence, there are two bodies in total.
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Be careful there. To state religious beliefs as fact
smacks of proselytizing, which is a rule violation.
Just state that these are your beliefs to avoid
bruised knuckles. I'm here to help.
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
You are contradicting yourself again.
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There are two gods: Jesus Christ and satan. One God exists, but other does not exist. The satan does not exist, the satan is present. Presence and existence are two different notions. For example, zombie is dead, but is walking.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
I was listening to a talk by the British Historian David Starkey, who actually scoffed at the idea of "rights" at all. It gave me quite a jolt, actually, and I've been thinking about it for a few days now.

It seems to me that whatever "rights" we might have are those that we collectively grant to ourselves, through things like Charters of Rights by governments and other such bodies. And I think we tend to do that (when we have sufficient freedom to choose and control) when we decide what rights we would like for ourselves, and would grant to everyone else at the same time.

But if that is the case, these will change as our societies change. Things that we push under the table will not be on our "Charter of Rights," so of course, matters of non-heterosexual, non-one-man-one-woman, unmarried couldn't make the list in the 18th century, but in light of new knowledge of human nature, can eventually make the grade, as it were.

In fact, Human Rights have really only been "a thing" for about 200 years. The very idea that every human being should have equal legal protection of their basic needs is built on humanist ideas from 18th-century Europe.

But in the end, as I said, our rights are those that we collectively give to ourselves.
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I have encountered this argument before, or at least a similar one. And I have come to the conclusion that it is a semantic argument.

There are "things" that are required for humans to live freely and with dignity. And these "things" are universal, all humans need these "things". We need these "things" regardless or where we live or under what kind of governance we live.

I believe these "things" are objectively real. We can observe suffering when humans do not get these "things".

There can be some debate as to exactly what these "things" are, but if you look the various legal documents from around the world that deal with these "things" you will see there is a very high level of agreement.
 
CharmingOwl

CharmingOwl

Member
Why do I need to be given these rights? Why do people not automatically have these rights? I'm not even Christian so I cannot comment on satan given rights or god given rights.
 
JDMS

JDMS

Academic Workhorse
questfortruth said:
There are two gods: Jesus Christ and satan. One God exists, but other does not exist. The satan does not exist, the satan is present. Presence and existence are two different notions. For example, zombie is dead, but is walking.
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Gibberish.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
questfortruth said:
I AM INNOCENT. I HAVE NOT MENTIONED NEITHER ATHEISM NOR CHRISTIANITY. No proselytism.
Ravana (/ˈrɑːvənə/;[1] Sanskrit: रावण, IAST: Rāvaṇa, pronounced [ˈraːʋɐɳɐ]) is a rakshasa (a demonic creature in Hindu mythology) king[2] of the island of Lanka, and the chief antagonist of the Hindu epic Ramayana and its adaptations.[3][4]

There are two kinds of rights:
1. God-given rights.
2. satan-given rights.

Please specify the kind of rights. Tell me about rights from satan. What are these rights? There are God, and satan. Hence, there are two kinds of rights. What wrong was with Hitler's Germany? They just followed laws of Germany. But they were punished by USA and Russia.

Pregnant woman contains body of her child. Hence, there are two bodies in total.
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The issue is Jehovah rejects the notion of rights and instead has a long and strict list of rules, while Satan set us free of that and allows us to create, assert and reinforce Rights, even when it's things Jehovah would have us killed for.
 
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