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mating with their offspring

Eddi

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
I enjoy watching documentaries about wild animals and I love nature

But there's something they don't cover:

They always tell the story of how a mother animal gives birth to and then nurtures her offspring

But they never tell the story of how the mother animal may then go on and mate with one of her male offspring during future breeding seasons

Which I'm sure they sometimes do

But they never show this reality so as to shelter the viewers and to anthropomorphise the animals

I'm pretty certain that wild animals have no problem when it comes to mating with their mothers

The public needs to wake-up and to understand this!

You cannot apply human standards to animals
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Eddi said:
I enjoy watching documentaries about wild animals and I love nature

But there's something they don't cover:

They always tell the story of how a mother animal gives birth to and then nurtures her offspring

But they never tell the story of how the mother animal may then go on and mate with one of her male offspring during future breeding seasons

Which I'm sure they sometimes do

But they never show this reality so as to shelter the viewers and to anthropomorphise the animals

I'm pretty certain that wild animals have no problem when it comes to mating with their mothers

The public needs to wake-up and to understand this!

You cannot apply human standards to animals
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Most animals have a natural aversion to mate with close family. That is an evolutionary mechanism to avoid the dangers of inbreeding. However, sometimes, due to reduced population, unrelated mates can't be easily found and inbreeding occurs.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Heyo said:
Most animals have a natural aversion to mate with close family. That is an evolutionary mechanism to avoid the dangers of inbreeding. However, sometimes, due to reduced population, unrelated mates can't be easily found and inbreeding occurs.
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Cheetahs. They had an extreme founder effect event. At one time they were down to around ten, and probably less, breeding individuals. As a result any two African cheetahs are probably more similar to each other than you or I would be to our brothers or sisters. For cheetahs mating is almost always "incest".
 
Eddi

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Debater Slayer said:
Why? More knowledge is always good, but has anything rendered this specific piece of information urgent or necessary for the public to absorb at this time?
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Urgent, no

Important, yes

People need to learn that in this respect they are unlike other animals

If people were to learn this they would better understand humanity as well as the animals
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Cheetahs. They had an extreme founder effect event. At one time they were down to around ten, and probably less, breeding individuals. As a result any two African cheetahs are probably more similar to each other than you or I would be to our brothers or sisters. For cheetahs mating is almost always "incest".
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They don't have to worry about blood or tissue types. Any organs can be easily transferred as they are basically clones of each other.

I wonder how species avoid inbreeding which have a low functioning sense of smell as relations are mostly detected through pheromones?
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Yeah I don't know that it's really that common, maybe because it doesn't really maximize or capitalize on circulating energy throughout the greater arena of nature.

As for interest in wildlife, I've been looking to find a few good books on the amazon to read. Know any? Is it true that in a rainforest, every bio resource gets somehow recycled extremely rapidly? How does that work
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Eddi said:
I'm pretty certain that wild animals have no problem when it comes to mating with their mothers
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You're pretty certain? It sounds as if you've thought about this a lot.

Eddi said:
The public needs to wake-up and to understand this!
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Where might this pretty certain possibility reside on your list of those things the public needs to wake up and understand?
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Farmers and zoo keepers an pet owners need to be aware of these things, but the general public not so much.

Royal families since ancient times are often very inbred . In the case of Spain this was very apparent.
But just about all modern European royal families can trace through Queen Victoria, several times over.

Incest is far from unusual and is certainly not rare in just about all societies, it is just not spoken about much.
The smaller the local population and the less they travel the more inbred they become.

There is very little difference between us and other animals.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
Farmers and zoo keepers an pet owners need to be aware of these things, but the general public not so much.

Royal families since ancient times are often very inbred . In the case of Spain this was very apparent.
But just about all modern European royal families can trace through Queen Victoria, several times over.

Incest is far from unusual and is certainly not rare in just about all societies, it is just not spoken about much.
The smaller the local population and the less they travel the more inbred they become.
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Hemophilia.
 
Eddi

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
You're pretty certain? It sounds as if you've thought about this a lot.
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Yes, but only since about this morning, it never occurred to me before

Jayhawker Soule said:
Where might this pretty certain possibility reside on your list of those things the public needs to wake up and understand?
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Yes, I was probably a bit carried away with things when I wrote that bit :oops:

I'm sure that you would agree that it is exciting when new things occur to you?

If I cared more I would write a letter to Sir David Attenborough and Chris Packham and ask what they think although I doubt they'd reply :(
 
Hold

Hold

Abducted Member
Premium Member
I've had a number of dogs over the years. One time I purchased a pure bred....The papers on the dog listed its ancestry. It seems they interbred the dogs by skipping generations. In other words, they would breed a dog with its grandparent. In this dog's line of ancestry, it was done twice in about 6 generations.....The dog was a 'shiba inu', a Japanese breed. I'm not sure where the line of ancestry was located during their lives.
 
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Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
ideogenous_mover said:
Is it true that in a rainforest, every bio resource gets somehow recycled extremely rapidly? How does that work
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High density of life. The most important resources for decay, water and warmth, are always in abundance so that all the fungi and bacteria can do their work. About 100 metres of plant life immediately pick up the now available nutrients.
The indigenous people there burn down the forest to do a bit of farming. The nutrients come mainly from the ash and after only a few years they have to relocate. Rainforest soil is pretty worthless.
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Heyo said:
High density of life. The most important resources for decay, water and warmth, are always in abundance so that all the fungi and bacteria can do their work. About 100 metres of plant life immediately pick up the now available nutrients.
The indigenous people there burn down the forest to do a bit of farming. The nutrients come mainly from the ash and after only a few years they have to relocate. Rainforest soil is pretty worthless.
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I thought their farming had more to with getting mud from the bottom of lakes, and there was some ancient complicated technique involving that
 
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